New 22K trains

[joey]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/translinkni/

http://www.translink.co.uk/NI-Railwa...Trains-Images/

Quality, time to take the blinkers off IR.

[Colm Moore]

Originally Posted by joey

http://www.flickr.com/photos/translinkni/

http://www.translink.co.uk/NI-Railwa...Trains-Images/

Quality, time to take the blinkers off IR.

Interesting the way they are squashing seats in around the toilet.

[Jamie2k9]

Is 22033 in service and has the carrage that went of fire. Have yet to see it operateing as a 5 peice.

[Jamie2k9]

22033 should be back very soon. Yesterday it was taken from Portlaois - Inchicore for works.

http://thewandererphotos.smugmug.com...4984&k=FG8rrPv

Also if you click on Mark4 picture its says another 2200 was damaged recently.

[Destructix]

Checked out that link and :O is this true? Please tell me it is

From http://thewandererphotos.smugmug.com...0413&k=GZmp32g

2724 + 2715 at Ennis after arriving with the 1235 from Limerick. 2011 wasn't a good year for the 2700 Class with plans to store them in 2012, being replaced with 2800 Class displaced from Drogheda by the new 22000 Class Intercity DMU's. Sat 31.12.11

About time they get rid of them 2700

Though I still don't get why Limerick Junction-Limerick isn't intercity especially at peak times.

[Colm Moore]

Originally Posted by Destructix

Though I still don't get why Limerick Junction-Limerick isn't intercity especially at peak times.

There are direct Limerick-Dublin services that bypass LJ at peak times (15:25 16:25 17:25 ex-Dublin). With a connecting service, having the extra doors of a commuter-type train is useful.*



* Yes, they could do with doing something to keep the heat in.

[Destructix]

I don't get the direct trains cause they run them too late but should be one spare 3x car set though for the overcrowded services ie the 18:00 limerick-Limerick junction service. Is there anymore on order?

[Colm Moore]

57 new carriages delivered or soon to be delivered.

[Mark Gleeson]

I believe ICR units might take over the shuttle

A 2800 is significant worse than a 2700 in passenger comfort terms

[Inniskeen]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

I believe ICR units might take over the shuttle

A 2800 is significant worse than a 2700 in passenger comfort terms

You are absolutely correct, the 2800 is not an advance on the 2700 in passenger comfort terms. Ride quality is dreadful while reliability and performance are relatively poor. Limerick to Limerick Junction is an obvious candidate for ICRs although 3-car sets would probably provide more accommodation than necessary.

[dowlingm]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

I believe ICR units might take over the shuttle

A 2800 is significant worse than a 2700 in passenger comfort terms

IRN board rumour is that one is due in Limerick for training. No doubt to be deployed on the Nenagh and Waterford lines to drive the last nails in.

[Destructix]

2751/2753 should be designated to the Nenagh line to save fuel. Hope that shuttle service does go ICR 22k cause im sick of either standing or sitting on 2700's and going home with aches and pains plus i have vertigo the shaking from side to side doesn't do any favors for it.

What will happen to all these rail-cars 2600, 2700, 2800 if they are replaced with 22k's will Iarnród Éireann sell them or will they just be thrown in the sidings like the MK3's

[dowlingm]

Originally Posted by Destructix

2751/2753 should be designated to the Nenagh line

Not going to happen. IE is not running them as solo units any more but as fake 22Ks.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/finnyus/5105031849/

[ACustomer]

There is a good reason for not running the 2751s as solo cars: if you have an engine failure you are totally stranded. Other DMUs can at least limp home unless there is a more radical failure.

[Mark Gleeson]

Its done in plenty of other countries, we seemed to do alright with a single big locomotive for decades.

That said there really isn't a huge cost difference as Irish Rail have the trains lying around. Now for a private operator is pay by the ton/km and then single car is the difference between loss and profit. Sadly we have only 2 single car units so you can't really operate much without a 2 coach somewhere as well

[Jamie2k9]

Reported on IRN that 2 sets of ICR will start service next month. Replacing the 2900 on Sligo line and increase capacity on Westport line.

[Mark Gleeson]

Assuming no further screw ups there should be some of the new sets in service by end this month, it takes 15 round trips to Cork to build up the required 8000km running. If anything goes wrong the clock resets and more journeys are required.

[Jamie2k9]

Assuming no further screw ups there should be some of the new sets in service by end this month, it takes 15 round trips to Cork to build up the required 8000km running. If anything goes wrong the clock resets and more journeys are required.

Have there being many screw ups?

[Mark Gleeson]

Well these trains should have been in service by last October so someone somewhere has screwed up

[James Howard]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

Assuming no further screw ups there should be some of the new sets in service by end this month, it takes 15 round trips to Cork to build up the required 8000km running. If anything goes wrong the clock resets and more journeys are required.

The strikes me as an absurd way to acceptance test something as it bears little resemblance to the real world and really is just a waste of diesel - especially if you have to start the tests again. How does this test things like door operation which seems to cause all sorts of problems in reality. Surely there should be a way to shorten the test cycle and just perform a maintenance check every day until the required mileage is built up.

Mind you, Irish Rail would probably prepare just to run the entire system this way - having passengers or freight on trains is just a headache. They are always expecting things like arriving on time, heat, comfortable seats and catering. Easier just to run all the trains empty.

Anyway, it will be nice to get an extra 22k on the Sligo line. They seemed to find one for the 1805 to Longford for about a month before Christmas but we're back to the boneshakers for the moment.