The Heuston Factor - Page 3

Oisin88 · 10-10-2006, 18:29

I've just been to Madrid for the weekend. We landed in their new Terminal 4. Before we got to baggage reclaim there was a monorail trip, something a bit like the ones in Birmingham Airport and Stansted, but underground.

Now, looking at the google maps for Madrid airport here and the quays here it looks like about the same distance from Heuston to O'Connell bridge.

What about just sticking in a figure 8 underground monorail linking Heuston with key City Centre places with a 3-4 minute frequency and just loads of standing room? If an aiport can do it as an ad on (at a time when Iberia is giving less and less leg-room trans atlantic) could they not scrape the money from somewhere?

luasifer · 30-10-2006, 23:49

Quote "Given the multitude of combinations its very hard to track down the glitches we know of a few it just expensive to prove it and yes you have found a glitch at Grand Canal Dock the fare should not exceed €17.45, €15 is not correct since that only gets you as far as Connolly (€13 + €2 for Luas) most of the glitches do not effect through Luas journeys most are purely Connolly based. There are two fares between Newbridge and Grand Canal Dock, one valid on the Luas and one which is not make sure you have the right one http://www.platform11.org/passenger_...php#luas_valid"

I have this weekend travelled from Grand Canal Dock to Newbridge. I only purchased a single ticket as I did not need a return. This was 12 euro which is exactly as I expected. Essentially it's the 11euro fare from Newbridge to Dublin + 1 euro feeder add on. The ticket was valid on feeder services. From this it can be seen that IE do have some sort of city centre zone set up but it is just the link between the 2 that they are charging for. I have gone to Harmonstown, Clontarf Road, Grand Canal and Lansdowne Road from Newbridge and they are all the same price as the "city centre" option.

This leads me to believe that there are many people on the Kildare line buying tickets to the "city centre" and then buying seperate tickets for the Dart which they could actually have included in the same price.

It is hard to understand that if I can buy a ticket including luas for an extra 1euro, then why can IE not programme the TVMs in places such as Newbridge and Kildare to include the rest of the network such as Dart destinations. The current ticketing situation is completely archaic.

PaulM · 31-10-2006, 10:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by luasifer

It is hard to understand that if I can buy a ticket including luas for an extra 1euro, then why can IE not programme the TVMs in places such as Newbridge and Kildare to include the rest of the network such as Dart destinations. The current ticketing situation is completely archaic.

It is IE and they do not understand the concept of customer service.

Alan G · 31-10-2006, 21:28

This issue and the myriad of illogical and off-putting fares in the capital city and country are not going to be solved until there is a proper overseeing authority with the funds to remove the operators focus from farebox revenues.

There needs to be a simple set of fare rules applied across all modes based on journeys not mode uses.

Every IC ticket to Heuston SHOULD include free transfer to the city/Connolly and the TIMs in Connolly (I won't mention the Luas machines) should be programmed to issue through tickets for Heuston line destinations.

As said previously though with all the competing operators jealously garding their revenues this will not happen.

The point about CIE being as bad on their own before Luas is correct but still the addition of a third major competing operator has just made any chance of co-operation even more remote.

As someone who (sometimes) uses a multi-mode IE/BE/DB ticket the addition of Luas into the transport mix (but not the ticket) has made travelling to/from Heuston much worse. The whole lack of any consideration for all but the a-b one mode user has me seriously pi**ed off.

The basic ignorance from all of the highly paid supposed experts in the various companies and particularly the civil-service wasters in the DoT who are supposedly acting in the public's interests is apalling, not that I expect any better from them mind.

10-10-2006, 18:29	#41
Oisin88 Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dublin Posts: 608	Monorail, Monorail, Monorail I've just been to Madrid for the weekend. We landed in their new Terminal 4. Before we got to baggage reclaim there was a monorail trip, something a bit like the ones in Birmingham Airport and Stansted, but underground. Now, looking at the google maps for Madrid airport here and the quays here it looks like about the same distance from Heuston to O'Connell bridge. What about just sticking in a figure 8 underground monorail linking Heuston with key City Centre places with a 3-4 minute frequency and just loads of standing room? If an aiport can do it as an ad on (at a time when Iberia is giving less and less leg-room trans atlantic) could they not scrape the money from somewhere?

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30-10-2006, 23:49	#42
luasifer Regular Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 37	Quote "Given the multitude of combinations its very hard to track down the glitches we know of a few it just expensive to prove it and yes you have found a glitch at Grand Canal Dock the fare should not exceed €17.45, €15 is not correct since that only gets you as far as Connolly (€13 + €2 for Luas) most of the glitches do not effect through Luas journeys most are purely Connolly based. There are two fares between Newbridge and Grand Canal Dock, one valid on the Luas and one which is not make sure you have the right one http://www.platform11.org/passenger_...php#luas_valid" I have this weekend travelled from Grand Canal Dock to Newbridge. I only purchased a single ticket as I did not need a return. This was 12 euro which is exactly as I expected. Essentially it's the 11euro fare from Newbridge to Dublin + 1 euro feeder add on. The ticket was valid on feeder services. From this it can be seen that IE do have some sort of city centre zone set up but it is just the link between the 2 that they are charging for. I have gone to Harmonstown, Clontarf Road, Grand Canal and Lansdowne Road from Newbridge and they are all the same price as the "city centre" option. This leads me to believe that there are many people on the Kildare line buying tickets to the "city centre" and then buying seperate tickets for the Dart which they could actually have included in the same price. It is hard to understand that if I can buy a ticket including luas for an extra 1euro, then why can IE not programme the TVMs in places such as Newbridge and Kildare to include the rest of the network such as Dart destinations. The current ticketing situation is completely archaic.

31-10-2006, 21:28	#44
Alan G New to the board Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12	This issue and the myriad of illogical and off-putting fares in the capital city and country are not going to be solved until there is a proper overseeing authority with the funds to remove the operators focus from farebox revenues. There needs to be a simple set of fare rules applied across all modes based on journeys not mode uses. Every IC ticket to Heuston SHOULD include free transfer to the city/Connolly and the TIMs in Connolly (I won't mention the Luas machines) should be programmed to issue through tickets for Heuston line destinations. As said previously though with all the competing operators jealously garding their revenues this will not happen. The point about CIE being as bad on their own before Luas is correct but still the addition of a third major competing operator has just made any chance of co-operation even more remote. As someone who (sometimes) uses a multi-mode IE/BE/DB ticket the addition of Luas into the transport mix (but not the ticket) has made travelling to/from Heuston much worse. The whole lack of any consideration for all but the a-b one mode user has me seriously pi**ed off. The basic ignorance from all of the highly paid supposed experts in the various companies and particularly the civil-service wasters in the DoT who are supposedly acting in the public's interests is apalling, not that I expect any better from them mind.