yippee they're gonna announce re-opening the Middleton line....

Colm Donoghue · 23-01-2007, 10:33

From todays indo. See near the end.

RELIEF for up to 100,000 motorists stuck daily on the M50 will be the most tangible promise in the Government's €175bn National Development Plan (NDP) being unveiled today.

The project states the West Link toll barriers will be removed by next year.

They will, however, be replaced by 'invisible' barrier-free, electronic tolls where the vehicle registration is photographed and the driver billed if they do not have a pre-paid sticker.

For decades public transport has been the poor relation when it came to Government funding. Most of the cash is being spent on completing the major inter-urban motorways and dual carriageways.

But the NDP, being unveiled this afternoon by Taoiseach Bertie Ahern, includes a €13bn provision for public transport.

Most of the transport initiatives have already been announced as part of Transport 21, a commitment to spend €34bn on two metro lines and seven new Luas routes.

The projects being given the green light today include a commuter rail service between Mallow and Midleton/Cobh by 2008.

More quality bus corridors for Dublin's hard-pressed commuters are also included in the plan over the next seven years.

The document also pledges enhanced capacity at Dublin Airport as well as major investment in the regional airports.

ACustomer · 23-01-2007, 14:03

Is this announcement no 3 or 4 of this project? Maybe P11 should keep a log of all these multiple announcements. On the other hand maybe not: one can only count so far before it loses all meaning.

Mark Gleeson · 23-01-2007, 14:07

Its number 4 at least

It had EU funding prior to T21, so thats 1
T21 thats 2
Public inquiry process announcement thats 3
And today makes 4

Derek Wheeler · 25-01-2007, 20:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

Its number 4 at least

It had EU funding prior to T21, so thats 1
T21 thats 2
Public inquiry process announcement thats 3
And today makes 4

Its number 5. Seamus Brennan did an announcement on the platform in midleton in late 2003.

IHIR · 26-01-2007, 10:16

seriously though, 5 announcements is ridiculous

most i have asked about the transport element of NDP for Cork were disgusted yet again, the huge element of rail missing is the entire revamp of Kent station to face the quays, CIE have held up the docklands long enough but now decided to go in for a 24 storey building when a 17 storey right next door was held up in planning for 18 months and eventually reduced. Was in kent recently and its getting a €4m lick of paint, place looks even more of a kip than it was before and thats saying something

was quite amused to step off the train yesterday with an announcement in my ears directing me to bus services outside the "concourse" - kent station a "concourse" not in their wildest dreams

I know this is rail website but the transport in Cork is appalling in terms of buses as well and night services are non existent

comcor · 26-01-2007, 10:33

And they get to anounce it again this week when this document is formally produced on January 30th...

http://www.transport.ie/upload/general/8748-0.pdf

Thomas J Stamp · 26-01-2007, 10:39

We used to have a thread on the many announcments of the KRP. Alas, it is election year.

comcor · 05-02-2007, 10:36

Please don't laugh

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...issue_id=15220

ACustomer · 05-02-2007, 11:34

Re the last message: according to the Indo the completion date is now 2010 for Midleton. Is this not a huge slippage in just a matter of months if not weeks since the last "announcement"?

There are time when I think someone should go to jail for such incompetence.

Mark Gleeson · 05-02-2007, 11:40

Bear in mind the DoT have held onto the money for the last 3 years which has held things up

Note the new DoF investment guidelines will hold things up as well

We all knew from day one that the T21 timetable was political not engineering driven

ACustomer · 05-02-2007, 14:44

The report of the Lawyer who makes recommendations for the Railway Order has just been published. (See DoT website). The original Midleton line report (I forget the consultants' names) had what seemed me to be a properly-specified cost-benefit analysis. It should not take long to update. The overall social return was quite promising.

Quite frankly if this project does not pass muster with the D of F then no rail project has a chance. Unless of course its is west of the Shannon in which case a special secret fromula will apply.

BTW, the report I referred to on the DoT website apparently recommends a revamped level crossing rather than the proposed bridge near Myrtle Hill (?). Shows what happens when you let a lawyer with no technical knowledge loose on a task like this. The Rail Safety people must be having kittens (if they are not asleep).

Mark Gleeson · 05-02-2007, 14:59

The report has been up for a while

The bridge to be fair was quite over the top

There is a protocol for a level crossing, effectively they must be 4 barrier CCTV, now the level of road usage at the location is very light and of a residential nature, if you can't build a bridge the level crossing option is permitted

Favourite one was the guy near Midleton who complained about a bridge replacing a level crossing citing waste of money, little did he know that the bridge was in fact cheaper than the level crossing anyway

dowlingm · 05-02-2007, 21:31

what's the max line speed for an autoLC - or is there one? That close to Kent it's unlikely to make much difference anyway.

Mark · 05-04-2007, 16:21

Eventually!!!

Cullen signed off on it today as he was walking out the door.

ACustomer · 05-04-2007, 17:42

Yippee, so we can look forward to announcement No 6 (?) then?

comcor · 05-04-2007, 21:05

Is that the final sign off or do we still need one from the Department of Finance and the Attorney General?

Thomas J Stamp · 05-04-2007, 23:47

Well, dont panic, it just goes back to IE now!!!

Colm Donoghue · 06-04-2007, 09:19

Railway order is basically like a cpo for a road.
The cpo for the N11 Beehive to Arklow bypass passed some years ago. the govt won't release the money for construction though so no work gets done other than some fencing.

there's two more announcements there anyway.
money released and construction started.

Derek Wheeler · 06-04-2007, 19:08

There is now a 4 week period to allow for any legal challenges/objections etc. After that 4 week period, its green lights.

Colm Donoghue · 09-04-2007, 19:23

Are you sure Derek, is the funding released for construction?
does the railway order and funding go hand in hand or are they seperate?

Like the Motorway order for the M7M8 to Culahill is cleared all it's legal hoops, it's only money holding it up.

23-01-2007, 10:33	#1
Colm Donoghue Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 873	yippee they're gonna announce re-opening the Middleton line.... From todays indo. See near the end. RELIEF for up to 100,000 motorists stuck daily on the M50 will be the most tangible promise in the Government's €175bn National Development Plan (NDP) being unveiled today. The project states the West Link toll barriers will be removed by next year. They will, however, be replaced by 'invisible' barrier-free, electronic tolls where the vehicle registration is photographed and the driver billed if they do not have a pre-paid sticker. For decades public transport has been the poor relation when it came to Government funding. Most of the cash is being spent on completing the major inter-urban motorways and dual carriageways. But the NDP, being unveiled this afternoon by Taoiseach Bertie Ahern, includes a €13bn provision for public transport. Most of the transport initiatives have already been announced as part of Transport 21, a commitment to spend €34bn on two metro lines and seven new Luas routes. The projects being given the green light today include a commuter rail service between Mallow and Midleton/Cobh by 2008. More quality bus corridors for Dublin's hard-pressed commuters are also included in the plan over the next seven years. The document also pledges enhanced capacity at Dublin Airport as well as major investment in the regional airports.

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23-01-2007, 14:03	#2
ACustomer Really Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 767	Is this announcement no 3 or 4 of this project? Maybe P11 should keep a log of all these multiple announcements. On the other hand maybe not: one can only count so far before it loses all meaning.

23-01-2007, 14:07	#3
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Its number 4 at least It had EU funding prior to T21, so thats 1 T21 thats 2 Public inquiry process announcement thats 3 And today makes 4

26-01-2007, 10:16	#5
IHIR Regular Poster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 47	seriously though, 5 announcements is ridiculous most i have asked about the transport element of NDP for Cork were disgusted yet again, the huge element of rail missing is the entire revamp of Kent station to face the quays, CIE have held up the docklands long enough but now decided to go in for a 24 storey building when a 17 storey right next door was held up in planning for 18 months and eventually reduced. Was in kent recently and its getting a €4m lick of paint, place looks even more of a kip than it was before and thats saying something was quite amused to step off the train yesterday with an announcement in my ears directing me to bus services outside the "concourse" - kent station a "concourse" not in their wildest dreams I know this is rail website but the transport in Cork is appalling in terms of buses as well and night services are non existent

26-01-2007, 10:33	#6
comcor Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cork-Dublin, Cork Commuter and occasionally DART and Dublin-Wexford Posts: 855	And they get to anounce it again this week when this document is formally produced on January 30th... http://www.transport.ie/upload/general/8748-0.pdf

05-02-2007, 10:36	#8
comcor Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cork-Dublin, Cork Commuter and occasionally DART and Dublin-Wexford Posts: 855	Please don't laugh http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...issue_id=15220

05-02-2007, 11:34	#9
ACustomer Really Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 767	Re the last message: according to the Indo the completion date is now 2010 for Midleton. Is this not a huge slippage in just a matter of months if not weeks since the last "announcement"? There are time when I think someone should go to jail for such incompetence.

05-02-2007, 11:40	#10
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Bear in mind the DoT have held onto the money for the last 3 years which has held things up Note the new DoF investment guidelines will hold things up as well We all knew from day one that the T21 timetable was political not engineering driven

05-02-2007, 14:44	#11
ACustomer Really Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 767	The report of the Lawyer who makes recommendations for the Railway Order has just been published. (See DoT website). The original Midleton line report (I forget the consultants' names) had what seemed me to be a properly-specified cost-benefit analysis. It should not take long to update. The overall social return was quite promising. Quite frankly if this project does not pass muster with the D of F then no rail project has a chance. Unless of course its is west of the Shannon in which case a special secret fromula will apply. BTW, the report I referred to on the DoT website apparently recommends a revamped level crossing rather than the proposed bridge near Myrtle Hill (?). Shows what happens when you let a lawyer with no technical knowledge loose on a task like this. The Rail Safety people must be having kittens (if they are not asleep).

05-02-2007, 14:59	#12
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	The report has been up for a while The bridge to be fair was quite over the top There is a protocol for a level crossing, effectively they must be 4 barrier CCTV, now the level of road usage at the location is very light and of a residential nature, if you can't build a bridge the level crossing option is permitted Favourite one was the guy near Midleton who complained about a bridge replacing a level crossing citing waste of money, little did he know that the bridge was in fact cheaper than the level crossing anyway

05-02-2007, 21:31	#13
dowlingm Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,371	what's the max line speed for an autoLC - or is there one? That close to Kent it's unlikely to make much difference anyway.

05-04-2007, 16:21	#14
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Northern line Posts: 1,311	Eventually!!! Cullen signed off on it today as he was walking out the door.

05-04-2007, 17:42	#15
ACustomer Really Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 767	Yippee, so we can look forward to announcement No 6 (?) then?

05-04-2007, 21:05	#16
comcor Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cork-Dublin, Cork Commuter and occasionally DART and Dublin-Wexford Posts: 855	Is that the final sign off or do we still need one from the Department of Finance and the Attorney General?

06-04-2007, 09:19	#18
Colm Donoghue Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 873	Railway order is basically like a cpo for a road. The cpo for the N11 Beehive to Arklow bypass passed some years ago. the govt won't release the money for construction though so no work gets done other than some fencing. there's two more announcements there anyway. money released and construction started.

06-04-2007, 19:08	#19
Derek Wheeler Registered user Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kildare Posts: 1,555	There is now a 4 week period to allow for any legal challenges/objections etc. After that 4 week period, its green lights.

09-04-2007, 19:23	#20
Colm Donoghue Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 873	Are you sure Derek, is the funding released for construction? does the railway order and funding go hand in hand or are they seperate? Like the Motorway order for the M7M8 to Culahill is cleared all it's legal hoops, it's only money holding it up.