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![]() Are IE able to run trains to and from depots over this bridge? If not, how are they being serviced?
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![]() Why is there such a muted response to this? This is a significant worry for me as I depend on the train for my livelihood. If I have to suffer through a extended disruption, I simply couldn't get to work and it appears to be just a matter of time before something similar happens on my line.
As usual Irish Rail depend on their divine luck to save them. They ran trains over this bridge for two days after the incident and got away with it. Then this all happens in the week of the presidential election so the media don't really pay any attention. What other country would tolerate its two busiest commuter rail lines having extensive unplanned shut-downs (with loss of life only prevented by Hail Marys) over a two year period with no consequent management casualties? And all after a period of 10 years of unprecedented infrastructure investment. |
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![]() A failure of the rail network is Irish Rail's responsibility, but a failure of the Dublin public transport system is not. They are merely a component of it, an important one, but the reality is that the DofT and the NTA are supposed to have a "10,000ft" view and it is they who should have responsibility for ensuring that their contracted operators have disaster plans and contingencies as part of PSO agreements.
Are you seriously contending that other countries have somehow bulletproofed their rail lines against force majeure? Broadmeadow was a failure of Irish Rail but it's hard to see what they could have done in this case. A bridge over a watercourse in an urbanised setting with no alternative flood relief is always going to be difficult to protect. |
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![]() To be honest, your response provides a good clue as to why this kind of thing keeps happening in Ireland. The first response of anybody in Ireland is to find some reason a failure is somebody else's fault and then if you can't find some reason why it is God's fault. Nowhere does it figure in anybody's logic to try to make it not happen again.
I don't think you can really call a flood on the Dodder "force majeure". Yes, this was a sudden downpour but it was a 20 year weather event that seems to have eroded a bridge pillar foundation is a manner very similar to the way which caused a catastrophic collapse two years ago. If Irish Rail cannot find a way to protect a bridge spanning a 30-foot watercourse then they may as well give up. These sort of incidents will keep happening until the powers that be make a clear statement that this is not acceptable. This closure will probably inflict an economic cost of 10 million euro on the city and this is two years after an even bigger closure. I agree that there is a wider public transport system failure here. It doesn't seem beyond the realms of possibility to provide some kind of bus transfer system to link GCD and Sydney Parade above and beyond relying on the normal scheduled Dublin Bus service. This is a two-week closure and while it may be acceptable at Irish Rail not turn up at work for a fortnight because it is somebody else's fault, this isn't an option for those of us who work in the real world. Other countries have the advantage of having a rail network so if this sort of thing happens, people can often route around it. As we don't really have a network, it is beholden on the powers that be to ensure there is some kind of alternative. Just saying "take the car for a fortnight" or "find a bus" is fine for a day - for a week or two it isn't. Last edited by James Howard : 01-11-2011 at 18:11. Reason: Spellchecking |
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![]() The engineering of the Dodder bridge is very different to Malahide, had it been the same we would be talking about a bridge collapse not damage.
There is no plan and absolutely no one is willing to take some responsibility. Irish Rail despite Force Majeure still has some responsibilities under the PSO contract Its taken Irish Rail 5 days to get a list of bus routes on its website, which being frank is just a response to what RUI did yesterday http://www.railusers.ie/passenger_in...thside_bus.php Currently stranded outside Sydney Parade due a delay at Dun Laoghaire since some genius removed the Merrion crossovers
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![]() At least they seem to have gotten their act together today with a peak-time shuttle bus service of sorts
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![]() When I saw the original picture of this, I thought that it was quite likely that the scaffolding was most likely to be a large part of the problem here. But I didn't say anything because it was possible it had been put up after the damage.
But if this scaffolding preceded the damage, it is quite patently rubbish to say that this bridge closure was a natural event. This scaffolding quite obviously caught a load of debris which formed an impromptu dam. This almost certainly increased the water flow under the bridge and resulted in the scouring away of the foundations. I may not be an expert in fluid dynamics but I have dabbled in my time. You can demonstrate this by closing off the top of a hosepipe with your finger. If you restrict the space available for a volume of water to flow, it increases the speed of the flow and this high speed flow can be used to push material around. It is highly likely that this increased speed of flow was at least partially responsible for both the damage to the bridge foundations and the resulting flooding in the area. Bloody amateurs - do they think we were born yesterday? |
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