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![]() And closed for 6 weeks a year due to flooding
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![]() 4 services to Galway on Sundays, 0 services to Waterford...
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Arrival time into Limerick @ 08:39 from stations north of Ennis is no good at all! All you need to do is look at the 07:20 "commuter" service from Nenagh to Limerick, with its arrival time of 08:42... very handy for people that might work at the station or work in shops close by, but what about students commuting to UL or LIT? or what about workers working in Limerick city centre or out in the big industrial estate or anywhere else? The timetable is a big disappointment for people that want to commute to work/college/etc... from any new station between Ennis and Athenry. Midleton line has recently been deemed a success in a Cork newspaper. I don't know facts and figures on how they came to this conclusion, but any time I have travelled on it there have been a lot of passengers. The timetable M-S allows for an arrival into Cork at 07:08 and a departure from Cork at 22:15. During the day there is an hourly clockface timetable in place - people know the timetable: xx:15 from Cork, xx:45 to Cork (Midleton people). It's very simple, yet I do not understand: Money is tight at the moment! Very tight! There is all talk about certain services are making next to nothing due to poor loadings: Rosslare - Waterford, Waterford - Limerick Junction, Ballybrophy - Limerick. The only timetable of these 3 that allows commuters to travel is the Waterford - Rosslare timetable! Into Waterford @ 08:20, departure from Waterford @ 17:20. Don't get me wrong, it could be well improved, but take a look at the other ones: Limerick Junction - Waterford: Earliest arrival into Waterford is 10:15! Latest departure from Waterford is 16:15! (Who the hell is finished work at that stage or school/college for that matter!) Dublin commuter services then is a different kettle of fish! I'm sure there are other people who can rant (like I just did) about the services in our capital! Rant over! |
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![]() We didn't just spend 100 million on the Rosslare-Limerick Junction stretch. I counted close on 60 onboard last time I traveled Limerick Junction - Waterford, for such a poor frequency the numbers are actually quite impressive. Having spoken to others such numbers are not unusual
It should be noted that engineering works on the Nenagh line and the Waterford-Limerick Junction line to upgrade the line and reduce journey times were deferred to allow for the WRC, I'd put good money that the works at Limerick Junction also suffered. Journey time is below par and will only get worse when Oranmore opens, the lack of through services from Galway to Limerick Junction and Waterford significantly reduces the attractiveness of the service Midleton has been a success due in no small part to there being sufficient frequency and sufficient demand, it a commuter service and it actually generates significant revenues such that it could actually be profitable in coming years.
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![]() That's surprising in the context of the amount of fare evasion there.
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![]() Thats being worked on. Once the new signalling goes live the running costs will reduce further while punctuality and reliability are set to increase at the same time
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![]() LIT would be far better served if Longpavement halt was built - it would be 2km away but doable for most students over the trip into town and 3km trip back across the river, as well as match days for the Gaelic Grounds and Thomond Park. However, this likely stop won't get built while there is no money to regenerate the surrounding area.
Similarly, the problem with commuting to UL by rail from Nenagh is not arrival in town but the lack of a connector from Castleconnell or another new halt between there and Killonan. I thought Sixmilebridge wouldn't be open for another while yet because of signalling changes needed - did they fix that while the line was closed by the floods or was that never an issue? |
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![]() I wonder would it be possible to come to an agreement whereby the government commits to funding the extension if the councils in those eight "cities" agree to cover any loss made by the present and future WRC. If the line is successful, there should be no loss.
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![]() My view is that Irish Rail should be obliged to publish boardings from each station annually, and the bottom 10% be told that unless x monthly or annual tickets are bought within six months, no more station for you.
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![]() If you are talking 320 people per day and that means 160 each way, and assume two people per car, you are looking at removing 160 car journeys and replacing them with 10 train journeys.
Depending on whether they are 2 or 4 car trains, I would seriously doubt that the total amount of fuel consumed would be less. Especially when you add in the fuel used by staff to get into work. In fact you can probably assume that you are removing less than 100 car journeys because a lot of passengers would have either taken the bus or wouldn't have traveled at all because they are out for a jaunt on the free travel. I am not saying that there is no social need for the service, but you can forget about arguing for it based on green credentials. What they really need to do with these services is go all out in providing commuter services which means at least 4 trains to land you at the city ends between 07:30 and 09:00. And then the same again to get you home. Then don't bother with paid parking for at least the first few years and fill the trains up with daily commuters. I guess you would need to be using single car trains to provide this level of frequency given the population densities. Blowing 100 million quid and then ending up serving 320 people per day is just stupid. If you were commuting on the system in effect, they would have just invested 300 grand to get you into work. It would have been cheaper and greener to just buy you a house near where you work. |
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![]() We will issue a statement on Monday. Whats done is done, there is no going back. No one was willing to listen to sense and numbers.
On one level the biggest problem is the fact Irish Rail are running it, take a look at the timetable its the classic eccentric disjoint mess. You really wonder what kind of thought process is involved, sounds more like throwing darts blindfolded and looking at what options got hit. Now if Translink was running it, I would be confident that it would be more realistic in the operation, not to forget they understand the concept of 'customer'
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![]() Ah, the wonderful BÉ route 343 Limerick - Shannon Airport http://www.buseireann.ie/pdf/1264783132-343.pdf Three services to Sixmilebridge in one direction and 5 the other. Only marginally worse than what the train service will be (nothing on Sunday).
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![]() The sweet spot is Athenry commuter. Going from 9 to 14 weekday services, with an 0825 arrival in Galway and 17.38 departure more commuter friendly when supplementing the existing 0807, 1818. Question is - is there enough car parking in Athenry to take advantage should the locals decide to take them up on it?
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