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[Jamie2k9]

Originally Posted by berneyarms

The potential GB stock was Class 185 units that were coming off lease from Transpennine Express (TPE), not pacers.

These would have been suitable units, but there has been slippage in the rollout of new TPE trains and they may now be required elsewhere on the GB network.

The chances of 185s coming were always very low, nobody in IE taught it was even a serious proposal.

[ACustomer]

Posted by Jamie 2k9:

The chances of 185s coming were always very low, nobody in IE taught it was even a serious proposal.

An interesting point. People in IE probably know a thing or two about what is likely to work. In that case where did the idea of the 185s come from? Somewhere in the NTA, the DOT, TII? i.e from people who by all appearances don't have much of a clue.

This is more serious than it might seem at first sight. The 185 caper probably held up the decision to go ahead with the 41 ROTEM intermediate cars, and in doing so may have caused the price to increase from €100m to €150m.

A brilliant example of The Circus clowns at work?

[Jamie2k9]

Originally Posted by ACustomer

Posted by Jamie 2k9:

An interesting point. People in IE probably know a thing or two about what is likely to work. In that case where did the idea of the 185s come from? Somewhere in the NTA, the DOT, TII? i.e from people who by all appearances don't have much of a clue.

This is more serious than it might seem at first sight. The 185 caper probably held up the decision to go ahead with the 41 ROTEM intermediate cars, and in doing so may have caused the price to increase from €100m to €150m.

A brilliant example of The Circus clowns at work?

Looking at UK stock coming out of service the 185s are the only DMU option anyway suitable. The rest are either way to old, small or not a DMU.

Not sure how much of a factor in holding up the 22s but they have wasted a lot of time and doesn't inspire much confidence in how they will handle the 600 Bi-mode order...

[Mark Gleeson]

The only offers from the UK were for Pacers...

The new 41 is a clear demonstration of how not to order, had we ordered in 2016 we would not be having a discussion today.

All previous orders were made back to back, so the production line, supply chain etc were all in place. It is a start from fresh now.

New units have to have the new Stage V engines with the new more expensive gearbox