[article] DART trains to run every 10 minutes to cope with passenger increases

Jamie2k9 · 09-04-2015, 13:18

So two additional hourly service, the real facts will be if net capacity increases or services are standardized to 4 coach operations.

Still good to see Intercity and Commuter numbers increase also.

Traincustomer · 09-04-2015, 15:11

Hopefully this will not result in more crawling for South Eastern line commuter services and Rosslare Intercity services.

Inniskeen · 09-04-2015, 17:03

Absolutely inevitable that all services sharing track with DART will be even slower than at present.

Nobody would have believed you if told them twenty years ago that the fastest part of the trip to Greystones would be the section between Bray and Greystones !

ThomasJ · 09-04-2015, 17:09

So both Kildare and maynooth line services will have to wait at north strand when entering connolly where there are north and south bound services passing the north strand area.

Should be fun!

Eddie · 09-04-2015, 22:01

I can see the merit in extra trains during the rush hour, but if 2 and 4 carriage trains at a 15 minute frequency are sufficient for the capacity off peak, then it would seem hard to justify extending it beyond this.

berneyarms · 09-04-2015, 22:14

If DART is to become a truly walk up and go service then the 10 minute frequency has to happen. Time is far more important to people these days, and higher frequencies will generate higher passenger numbers - one only has to look at LUAS to see that.

This proposal is trying to grow the business rather than meet existing demand.

However the downside is that all of the other services including Rosslare and Belfast Intercity services will face longer journey times - there is no way around that.

Inniskeen · 09-04-2015, 23:04

It is incomprehensible that additional time journey time should be added to already slow Belfast, Rosslare and longer distance commuter services.

Time is important to everybody these days not just DART users. If DART is developed at the expense of other services, these other services will become irrelevant and what remains can be turned into a high frequenccy, low speed tramway style operation. It is questionable if this would produce a net growth in passenger numbers let alone revenue.

While usage of services on the northern line beyond Howth Junction has not declined that much in volume terms the failure to make the service more attractive has led to a very significant decline in modal split, something which is all too evident by the huge volume of traffic now using the M1.

As for services beyond Greystones, the addition of almost 20 minutes to journey times has made the railway to Wicklow and beyond almost irrelevant.

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09-04-2015, 13:18	#1
Jamie2k9 Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,146	So two additional hourly service, the real facts will be if net capacity increases or services are standardized to 4 coach operations. Still good to see Intercity and Commuter numbers increase also.

09-04-2015, 15:11	#2
Traincustomer Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: ar an traein Posts: 602	Hopefully this will not result in more crawling for South Eastern line commuter services and Rosslare Intercity services.

09-04-2015, 17:03	#3
Inniskeen Really Regular Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 951	Absolutely inevitable that all services sharing track with DART will be even slower than at present. Nobody would have believed you if told them twenty years ago that the fastest part of the trip to Greystones would be the section between Bray and Greystones !

09-04-2015, 17:09	#4
ThomasJ Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Clonsilla Posts: 2,812	So both Kildare and maynooth line services will have to wait at north strand when entering connolly where there are north and south bound services passing the north strand area. Should be fun!

09-04-2015, 22:01	#5
Eddie Really Regular Poster Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 258	I can see the merit in extra trains during the rush hour, but if 2 and 4 carriage trains at a 15 minute frequency are sufficient for the capacity off peak, then it would seem hard to justify extending it beyond this.

09-04-2015, 22:14	#6
berneyarms Really Regular Poster Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 602	If DART is to become a truly walk up and go service then the 10 minute frequency has to happen. Time is far more important to people these days, and higher frequencies will generate higher passenger numbers - one only has to look at LUAS to see that. This proposal is trying to grow the business rather than meet existing demand. However the downside is that all of the other services including Rosslare and Belfast Intercity services will face longer journey times - there is no way around that.

09-04-2015, 23:04	#7
Inniskeen Really Regular Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 951	It is incomprehensible that additional time journey time should be added to already slow Belfast, Rosslare and longer distance commuter services. Time is important to everybody these days not just DART users. If DART is developed at the expense of other services, these other services will become irrelevant and what remains can be turned into a high frequenccy, low speed tramway style operation. It is questionable if this would produce a net growth in passenger numbers let alone revenue. While usage of services on the northern line beyond Howth Junction has not declined that much in volume terms the failure to make the service more attractive has led to a very significant decline in modal split, something which is all too evident by the huge volume of traffic now using the M1. As for services beyond Greystones, the addition of almost 20 minutes to journey times has made the railway to Wicklow and beyond almost irrelevant.