Increase in Fares

[James Howard]

This seems a very sneaky way to slip in the price increases. Leak them just before a bank holiday weekend and then by the time the alleged justification / excuses are release it will have slipped off any possible place it would have gotten on the news agenda.

Mind you last year's report was pretty amazing in its cynicism where they basically said that they were hitting monthly and annual commuters the hardest as they have no other option.

How can they release a fare determination report less than a week before the increases come into force and a week after the deadline for ordering a taxsaver ticket at the previous price? What would the arrangement be if you had ordered a taxsaver to begin on November 1st two or three weeks ago?

[grainne whale]

Originally Posted by James Howard

This seems a very sneaky way to slip in the price increases. Leak them just before a bank holiday weekend and then by the time the alleged justification / excuses are release it will have slipped off any possible place it would have gotten on the news agenda.

Mind you last year's report was pretty amazing in its cynicism where they basically said that they were hitting monthly and annual commuters the hardest as they have no other option.

How can they release a fare determination report less than a week before the increases come into force and a week after the deadline for ordering a taxsaver ticket at the previous price? What would the arrangement be if you had ordered a taxsaver to begin on November 1st two or three weeks ago?

My ticket runs January/ January and when I applied for the renewal in early October, it was the old price that was quoted on the application form. Irish Rail pulled the same trick last year.

[Colm Moore]

Originally Posted by Eddie

On a separate issue, there seems to be an error with the monthly figure between Dublin and Cork. Every other route the monthly figure is 10% of the annual. Dublin to Cork is 22.7%.

People will readily do the likes of Drogheda-Dublin 20+ times a month, they are unlikely to do Cork-Dublin quiet as often. Separately, the train is going to Cork anyway, there are only so many seats they can resell on the Thurles-Cork section, so getting any business is better than no business.

[berneyarms]

The NTA Fare Determination Reports have now gone live on their website.

Quite a lot of changes.

Dublin Bus:

http://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-c...Dublin_Bus.pdf

Bus Eireann:

http://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-c...ash_etc_BE.pdf

Irish Rail:

http://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-c...tober_2014.pdf

LUAS:

http://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-c...p_pre-paid.pdf

CIE Group Monthly & Annual Tickets:

http://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-c..._companies.pdf

LUAS Monthly & Annual Tickets:

http://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-c...hly_annual.pdf

[Traincustomer]

The Waterford - Tipperary table (which appeared in last year's determination) is absent from this IÉ determination.

[Destructix]

Fare increases 2015

To Dublin single
Portlaoise €23.85
Ballybrophy €27.80
Templemore €36.10
Thurles €39.25
Limerick Junction €47.30
Charleville €53.05
Mallow €58.15
Cork €65.65

To Dublin day return
Portlaoise €30.35
Ballybrophy €36.15
Templemore €44.00
Thurles €47.90
Limerick Junction €56.70
Charleville €61.80
Mallow €66.50
Cork €78.15

To Dublin open return
Portlaoise €33.75
Ballybrophy €40.05
Templemore €49.50
Thurles €53.65
Limerick Junction €64.20
Charleville €69.35
Mallow €74.70
Cork €85.30


http://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-c...tober_2014.pdf

[Mark Gleeson]

Anyone so angry as to want to be quoted in the newspaper?

Thinking of dumping the train and getting into the car?

Let me know info@railusers.ie

[jacko]

Mark,

could you possibly highlight the following issue !


The increase in the cobh/cork + city bus services - monthly ticket has increased by 9.52% as opposed to 2.76% for the midleton/cork +city bus services – the differential defies all logic and the 9.52% increase can only be ascribed to gouging of a popular route.

The introduction of the Leapcard has been long promised on the cork commuter lines. One of the principles of its introduction is that the fare will be cheaper than the existing fares.

Currently the Cork/Cobh return fare is €8.50 cash. The proposed new Leap Card fare is €9.20 !

Also the cash fare is increasing by 14.1% compared to average increases of 3/4% on DART and Dublin Short Hop rail

[Mark Gleeson]

No increase in Cork fares until sometime in 2015 when LEAP is available.

[jacko]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

No increase in Cork fares until sometime in 2015 when LEAP is available.

but when they are implemented they are illogical

[laoisfan]

I got my last monthly in work yesterday (ticket for November). Decided to go back to an annual ticket (Ballybrophy-Dublin Heuston, work in Park-West). Ordered it based on current price of €3400 so suppose I'm just delaying the price increase for a year at least.

[grainne whale]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

Anyone so angry as to want to be quoted in the newspaper?

Thinking of dumping the train and getting into the car?

Let me know info@railusers.ie

No just to say that I got a return from Dublin to Gatwick there recently - total cost €51 - that would only just get me a return to just beyond Thurles

[Mark Gleeson]

2015 fare calculator is almost ready

http://www.railusers.ie/passenger_in..._calc_2015.php

As usual the determination from the NTA has a lot of missing stuff so certain routes it is unclear what the fares might be, e.g. Waterford Limerick Junction.

[comcor]

With regard to the Midleton and Cobh price differential, surely the question is why Midleton was priced higher than Cobh when the line opened. The distance is the same to within a few hundred metres. In fact, using Irish Rail's logic from elsewhere on the network, Midleton should have been cheaper as it was a single track.

It would be nice to think that if the fares could converge, it could be the start of a zonal system in Cork. Even better if it could match up with the one that Bus Eireann seem to be introducing for pass-holders. I won't hold my breath though.

[Mark Gleeson]

Midleton was thrown into the new E zone fare as a very obvious money grab exercise by IE, there was no extra subsidy to run the service so to all steps to maximise revenue were taken

[James Howard]

It doesn't look to me as if the double-track/single track logic applies at all to monthly passes. Mullingar, Portlaiose & Dundalk are all roughly the same distance from Dublin yet Mullingar has a day return of around two-thirds the price of the others. So far so good, but the monthly pass is exactly the same price from all three.

[berneyarms]

You can't compare Midleton to other Intercity routes - the rationale for lower fares was more to do with fewer and slower trains rather than single track.

Midleton has an hourly all day service, and half-hourly at peak times, which isn't exactly a poor service level.

The Intercity fares are now set on the basis of:

Express (Dublin-Cork, Dublin-Limerick, Dublin-Tralee and Dublin-Dundalk)
Economy 1 (Dublin-Galway, Dublin-Mayo, Dublin-Sligo, WRC)
Economy 2 (Dublin-Rosslare, Dublin-Waterford, Nenagh Branch, South Tipperary line)

This applies to Single, Day Return and Open Return fares.

Season tickets are priced on a universal scale.

[dowlingm]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

The story behind the fare increases doesn't really stack up

Oil is at its lowest price in 4 years!
Payroll costs are down
Passenger numbers are up

So really IE should not have to request an increase

Do IE hedge fuel contracts? They might be stuck with a fixed price deal above the spot price.

[Mark Gleeson]

They have claimed a reclassification of capital expenditure is the cause for the increase

They are hedged to some degree, but oil has been heading downwards in price for several months

[Jamie2k9]

The Intercity fares are now set on the basis of:

Express (Dublin-Cork, Dublin-Limerick, Dublin-Tralee and Dublin-Dundalk)
Economy 1 (Dublin-Galway, Dublin-Mayo, Dublin-Sligo, WRC)
Economy 2 (Dublin-Rosslare, Dublin-Waterford, Nenagh Branch, South Tipperary line)

This applies to Single, Day Return and Open Return fares.

Could somebody tell or point me in the right direction to see how they decide which band to place routes into.

Thanks