2013 Heuston & Regional Draft Timetable

Jamie2k9 · 21-01-2013, 19:34

Mark looks like I was right about the capacity reduction on the 18.35 and 07.10 services. Today 18.35 was a 3 car set with 50+ people standing. Few people couldn't take bikes on because it was full and a kildare stop added.

What do they expect when old 18.30 to Westport is gone that stopoped at Newbridge is dropped (replaced by 18.25 slower service), 18.40 to Portlaoise moved to 18.55. A lot go off at Newbrisge but I was standing until after Athy. All Irish Rail staff were doing looking. There was no reason why they couldn't of got another 3 piece set in.

One other thing is they are saying the 06.05 has first class in the mornings but yet they have no first class train in Waterford the night before. Another way of ripping people off. I told them that the over crowing and claiming first class on a service last week but yet they just ignore it.

Great to see some things never change when it comes to Irish Rail...

Kilocharlie · 21-01-2013, 20:19

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Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

Mark looks like I was right about the capacity reduction on the 18.35 and 07.10 services. Today 18.35 was a 3 car set with 50+ people standing. Few people couldn't take bikes on because it was full and a kildare stop added.

What do they expect when old 18.30 to Westport is gone that stopoped at Newbridge is dropped (replaced by 18.25 slower service), 18.40 to Portlaoise moved to 18.55. A lot go off at Newbrisge but I was standing until after Athy. All Irish Rail staff were doing looking. There was no reason why they couldn't of got another 3 piece set in.

One other thing is they are saying the 06.05 has first class in the mornings but yet they have no first class train in Waterford the night before. Another way of ripping people off. I told them that the over crowing and claiming first class on a service last week but yet they just ignore it.

Great to see some things never change when it comes to Irish Rail...

This morning the 0605 had 1st class, first time on a Monday! The 1835 is supposed to be a 1st class set; today might be an exception.

Jamie2k9 · 21-01-2013, 20:27

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This morning the 0605 had 1st class, first time on a Monday! The 1835 is supposed to be a 1st class set; today might be an exception.

Only first class on a Monday because the 17.45 to Waterford on Sundays is a first class set. 18.35 is a 3 car Mon-Sat and IR staff confimred it. Its ridiculous and 18,30 to Galway lightly loaded something is going to have to give.

Inniskeen · 21-01-2013, 21:38

Looks the new timetable got off to a very good start with most Cork to Dublin services running either on time or early. The exceptions were the 0920, 1320 and 1720 ex Cork which were 5, 13 and 14 minutes late respectively.

Galway, Westport and Waterford to Dublin trains likewise generally ran on time or early, the principal exception being the 0605 from Waterford which was 7 minutes late.

Most Belfast to Dublin trains were also on time or early. The worst performers were no more than 2 minutes late.

The main exception to the generally good performance was DART, particularly northbound with several peak trains from Greystones 7-9 minutes late.

Mark Gleeson · 21-01-2013, 22:04

DART delays mainly originated from the Gorey Connolly service being late

Jamie2k9 · 22-01-2013, 19:51

Exact same problems today a little worse infact. Of course they had staff counting passengers as they boarded but just how many days will they need to count before they do something?

They had 18.25 to Portlaose on 2, 18.35 on 8 (no PA announcements but lots for 18.25 service until it left..) and 18.50 on 4 with no train on the platform.

Inniskeen · 22-01-2013, 20:02

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DART delays mainly originated from the Gorey Connolly service being late.

The Gorey service was early into Connolly !

Mark Gleeson · 22-01-2013, 21:30

But it was 10 late out of Greystones which caused all kinds of problems

Arrival in Connolly was exactly on time, not early

Inniskeen · 23-01-2013, 07:41

It was logged as marginally early, but on time is also a fair description. Mind you despite leaving Greystones late it would have been anything up to ten minutes early but for the DART in front. DART imposes a twenty minute time penalty on diesel services between Greystones and Connolly and in effect makes a credible service from Wicklow and points south almost impossible.

Jamie2k9 · 25-01-2013, 15:21

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Looks the new timetable got off to a very good start with most Cork to Dublin services running either on time or early. The exceptions were the 0920, 1320 and 1720 ex Cork which were 5, 13 and 14 minutes late respectively.

Galway, Westport and Waterford to Dublin trains likewise generally ran on time or early, the principal exception being the 0605 from Waterford which was 7 minutes late.

06.05 Waterford-Heuston 08.11
Monday - 08.20
Tuesday - 08.50
Wednesday - 08.16
Thursday - 08.20
Friday - 08.17

Two major problems:
Waterford-Thomastown = 21 mins, timetabled to take 19 because the signiling records they use are nowhere near Thomastown same as the Realtime on website. They are just north of Ballyhale. Most trains make the time up between Thomastwon-Kilkenny as they have 2-3 mins to play around with but the 06.05 does not.

2 speed restrictions:
One betwen Thomastown-Lavistown of 40mph one there less than a week, the other being on the Dublin line at lavistown 25mph which has being in place since October and that was cleared for higer speed heading to Dublin so no mainly its a crawl from Kilkenny until it passes there which makes it very hard to complete Kilkenny-Muine Bheag in 14 minutes and other services have all 15 which works. Didn't expect it to take months to fix the alignment problem.

If Lavistown isn't fixed soon then they will have to revert to an 06.00 departure as its the only way to get in on time.

Between this and 18.35 shambles not a good week, I wonder if they will have a 6 car this evening given its a Friday know IE i expect not.

Mark Gleeson · 15-02-2013, 15:31

The company is effectively bankrupt.

There is a 6 million per annum cost associated with the routine overhaul of the ICR fleet, but cutting the fleet size a saving of 3 million was achieved as a once off in 2012.

The 21 stored coaches are not certified for use as they have reached time/mileage limits.

We have discussed several problem trains with Irish Rail management, 18:35 is top of the list for resolution

KSW · 22-01-2013, 21:29

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Originally Posted by Inniskeen

The Gorey service was early into Connolly !

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Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

DART delays mainly originated from the Gorey Connolly service being late

I thought DART trains take priority over Gorey/Rosslare services!!!

21-01-2013, 19:34	#1
Jamie2k9 Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,146	Mark looks like I was right about the capacity reduction on the 18.35 and 07.10 services. Today 18.35 was a 3 car set with 50+ people standing. Few people couldn't take bikes on because it was full and a kildare stop added. What do they expect when old 18.30 to Westport is gone that stopoped at Newbridge is dropped (replaced by 18.25 slower service), 18.40 to Portlaoise moved to 18.55. A lot go off at Newbrisge but I was standing until after Athy. All Irish Rail staff were doing looking. There was no reason why they couldn't of got another 3 piece set in. One other thing is they are saying the 06.05 has first class in the mornings but yet they have no first class train in Waterford the night before. Another way of ripping people off. I told them that the over crowing and claiming first class on a service last week but yet they just ignore it. Great to see some things never change when it comes to Irish Rail... Last edited by Jamie2k9 : 21-01-2013 at 19:36.

21-01-2013, 22:04	#5
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	DART delays mainly originated from the Gorey Connolly service being late __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

22-01-2013, 21:30	#8
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	But it was 10 late out of Greystones which caused all kinds of problems Arrival in Connolly was exactly on time, not early __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

15-02-2013, 15:31	#11
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	The company is effectively bankrupt. There is a 6 million per annum cost associated with the routine overhaul of the ICR fleet, but cutting the fleet size a saving of 3 million was achieved as a once off in 2012. The 21 stored coaches are not certified for use as they have reached time/mileage limits. We have discussed several problem trains with Irish Rail management, 18:35 is top of the list for resolution __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

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21-01-2013, 21:38	#4
Inniskeen Really Regular Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 951	Looks the new timetable got off to a very good start with most Cork to Dublin services running either on time or early. The exceptions were the 0920, 1320 and 1720 ex Cork which were 5, 13 and 14 minutes late respectively. Galway, Westport and Waterford to Dublin trains likewise generally ran on time or early, the principal exception being the 0605 from Waterford which was 7 minutes late. Most Belfast to Dublin trains were also on time or early. The worst performers were no more than 2 minutes late. The main exception to the generally good performance was DART, particularly northbound with several peak trains from Greystones 7-9 minutes late.

22-01-2013, 19:51	#6
Jamie2k9 Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,146	Exact same problems today a little worse infact. Of course they had staff counting passengers as they boarded but just how many days will they need to count before they do something? They had 18.25 to Portlaose on 2, 18.35 on 8 (no PA announcements but lots for 18.25 service until it left..) and 18.50 on 4 with no train on the platform.

23-01-2013, 07:41	#9
Inniskeen Really Regular Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 951	It was logged as marginally early, but on time is also a fair description. Mind you despite leaving Greystones late it would have been anything up to ten minutes early but for the DART in front. DART imposes a twenty minute time penalty on diesel services between Greystones and Connolly and in effect makes a credible service from Wicklow and points south almost impossible.