Why do the Cork-Dublin train have lower spec carriages than Heuston-Newbridge trains?

Mark Gleeson · 30-08-2010, 20:52

Behind seats 5/6 in standard have a power socket

The Dublin Cork train is in theory designed to a higher specification than the rest of the fleet, build quality lets it down

robert muldoon · 06-03-2012, 23:02

Am sure this has been brought up before but i cant find it

Would someone please give me a satisfactory answer as to why there are not more stops at Kildare for intercity trains to cork and vice versa
A driver in Heuston told me it was something to do with the model of train thats used as it takes too long to stop. Why the big population of Co Kildare has to travel to Dublin or portlaoishe to get a train to cork is unbelievable!! if they cant use the Mark 2 trains then use other ones

Carrage A · 06-03-2012, 23:14

The cork trains would lose time by going from 90-100 mph to stopping and then building it back up again. I could see up to 5 mins being wasted.

I do find the Mark 4 stop more gradually compared to the 22000 that once the brakes are put on the speed drops very fast. Most lightly to do with the 22000 being DMU and the Mark 4 being push/pull.

dowlingm · 06-03-2012, 23:47

The DMUs have multiple sets of powered wheels which helps with acceleration - the Mark 4 sets only have the locomotive which means the amount of power you can put on (and thus acceleration) is limited by wheelslip. Additionally there is customer sensitivity to Heuston-Cork times so it's better that other trains make the stops than the Mark 4s.

Colm Moore · 07-03-2012, 01:46

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Originally Posted by robert muldoon

Would someone please give me a satisfactory answer as to why there are not more stops at Kildare for intercity trains to cork and vice versa

Another factor is that most people making trips from Kildare will be heading to Dublin, not Cork.

Inniskeen · 07-03-2012, 07:38

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Originally Posted by Colm Moore

Another factor is that most people making trips from Kildare will be heading to Dublin, not Cork.

At one stage there was very heavy traffic from Kildare to provincial destinations. The current timetable doesn't really facilitate such business.

Thomas J Stamp · 08-03-2012, 10:27

IE are still trying to stick to the original idea of having as few stops on the Cork Dublin Express as possible. IMO too many stop in Templemore, now but they are trying to provide the two hour service to as many places as they can with more limits on the resources they were envisiging back when the 22K fleet purchase was announced. We were explicitly told when the housrly service came in that we would be goign to thurles for a train every two hours to cork, cant say that is too unreasonable, same applies to kildare.

MaryK · 13-03-2012, 10:16

I think the Dublin-Cork trains are starting to look very shabby, A lot of the seat covers are showing loads of wear, the floor carpet is worn, none of the internal doors work any more. I wonder is there going to be a refurbishment programme and then they could retrofit power sockets.

comcor · 13-03-2012, 10:45

Haven't the internal doors been removed?

To be honest, my main problem with it is the flakiness of the WiFi. You only feel about 70% confident that it will be working in your carriage.

dowlingm · 13-03-2012, 13:33

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Originally Posted by MaryK

I think the Dublin-Cork trains are starting to look very shabby, A lot of the seat covers are showing loads of wear, the floor carpet is worn, none of the internal doors work any more. I wonder is there going to be a refurbishment programme and then they could retrofit power sockets.

Wellllll... I suppose someone could approach Ikea about redoing the interior like they did a Paris Metro station

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Apart from that I can't see there being money to pull the Mark 4s into dry dock just yet! Maybe if they finally found a ride quality fix at the same time?

One of the problems with modern furnishings on rail vehicles is that they tend to be selected on flammability rather than comfort grounds. In Toronto they just retired the H4 subway cars, horrible things with rattly narrow doors, rattly overhead fans rather than aircon and so on... but they had squishy seats so at least some people do actually wish they had been kept instead of the hard seats with a thin bit of fabric you get now.

30-08-2010, 20:52	#1
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Behind seats 5/6 in standard have a power socket The Dublin Cork train is in theory designed to a higher specification than the rest of the fleet, build quality lets it down __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

06-03-2012, 23:02	#2
robert muldoon New to the board Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5	Kildare to Cork Am sure this has been brought up before but i cant find it Would someone please give me a satisfactory answer as to why there are not more stops at Kildare for intercity trains to cork and vice versa A driver in Heuston told me it was something to do with the model of train thats used as it takes too long to stop. Why the big population of Co Kildare has to travel to Dublin or portlaoishe to get a train to cork is unbelievable!! if they cant use the Mark 2 trains then use other ones

08-03-2012, 10:27	#7
Thomas J Stamp Chairman/Publicity Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Home of Hurling Posts: 2,708	IE are still trying to stick to the original idea of having as few stops on the Cork Dublin Express as possible. IMO too many stop in Templemore, now but they are trying to provide the two hour service to as many places as they can with more limits on the resources they were envisiging back when the 22K fleet purchase was announced. We were explicitly told when the housrly service came in that we would be goign to thurles for a train every two hours to cork, cant say that is too unreasonable, same applies to kildare. __________________ We are the passengers

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06-03-2012, 23:14	#3
Carrage A Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 30	The cork trains would lose time by going from 90-100 mph to stopping and then building it back up again. I could see up to 5 mins being wasted. I do find the Mark 4 stop more gradually compared to the 22000 that once the brakes are put on the speed drops very fast. Most lightly to do with the 22000 being DMU and the Mark 4 being push/pull.

06-03-2012, 23:47	#4
dowlingm Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,371	The DMUs have multiple sets of powered wheels which helps with acceleration - the Mark 4 sets only have the locomotive which means the amount of power you can put on (and thus acceleration) is limited by wheelslip. Additionally there is customer sensitivity to Heuston-Cork times so it's better that other trains make the stops than the Mark 4s.

13-03-2012, 10:16	#8
MaryK New to the board Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 17	I think the Dublin-Cork trains are starting to look very shabby, A lot of the seat covers are showing loads of wear, the floor carpet is worn, none of the internal doors work any more. I wonder is there going to be a refurbishment programme and then they could retrofit power sockets.

13-03-2012, 10:45	#9
comcor Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cork-Dublin, Cork Commuter and occasionally DART and Dublin-Wexford Posts: 855	Haven't the internal doors been removed? To be honest, my main problem with it is the flakiness of the WiFi. You only feel about 70% confident that it will be working in your carriage.