[News] Waterford rail services expanded

Mark Gleeson · 31-05-2010, 14:41

Said train currently runs empty back from Carlow to Portlaoise each evening, it was on our hit list of empty trains from 2 years ago. Also means the end of an empty movement to Carlow each morning.

Pity they didn't skip Killkenny for the reverse of the fast morning train

This means there will be a further 3 coaches in Waterford each morning and therefore an end to the hassle on a Monday morning

Net cost actually a saving in fuel as it would appear to be fewer miles this way that current

It runs as of today according to the Irish Rail timetable planner, once again Irish Rail fail to communicate timetable changes in good time

Kilkea · 02-06-2010, 06:52

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Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

It runs as of today according to the Irish Rail timetable planner, once again Irish Rail fail to communicate timetable changes in good time

Just on the 06.10 Waterford Heuston at the moment and they have leaflets on every table announcing the "fantastic new timetable".It is coming into effect from next Tuesday 8th June.

Always good to hear of new services coming onto the Waterford line as there never seems to be much attention to the line from anyone, even though it is a very busy route. They now have the basis for a reletively good timetable(there is always room for improvement such as letting the 07.10 Waterford Heuston service stop at Athy to provide further flexibility), I think the real change will be when the Kildare Route Project is finally finished, as the Dublin outbound services are being held up everyday. If they can get their customers home in good time then there will be much happier faces all around.

dowlingm · 06-06-2010, 01:55

First of all, splitting the four hour gap was important and should have been done. Personally, I would have added a stop in Kildare to pick up transfers but better than a kick in the behind. Hopefully the 3h20 gap ex Waterford in the morning will be addressed too. One of the few things I think we can agree with Big Dick F about in his public utterances is that frequency is key. Time not spent waiting for a train is just as important as how fast it is, and is sometimes the cheaper option over a track upgrade.

Pity they couldn't find a way to put on a late ex Waterford (in the 1930/2000 range) but hopefully increased patronage will lead to further expansion up to the limits of what is basically a single track line (albeit with Lavistown).

Mark G - I'm trying to understand the implications for the morning service. 3 extra carriages in Waterford, but what good are they since they are being deadheaded from Waterford approx 0530 to Carlow for the 0625? Or do you mean where a problem is found overnight they will be swapped to a later service and the 0625 Carlow will be cancelled?

Edit to note: the 1635 ex Heuston is essentially a Carlow-Waterford evening commuter service, given that it leaves 1743. I wonder if there will be take-up for that as such.

Colm Moore · 06-06-2010, 08:33

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Originally Posted by dowlingm

Mark G - I'm trying to understand the implications for the morning service. 3 extra carriages in Waterford, but what good are they since they are being deadheaded from Waterford approx 0530 to Carlow for the 0625? Or do you mean where a problem is found overnight they will be swapped to a later service and the 0625 Carlow will be cancelled?

There was a problem in that a service that was originally from Carlow-Dublin and typically full, was changed to start in Waterford, but without extra capacity, thereby making Carlow, Athy and Kildare line commuters stand.

Mark Gleeson · 06-06-2010, 11:41

The morning Carlow train continues to dead head from Dublin

The 17:25 service being extended to Waterford should mean 3 more coaches there in the morning so that all 3 morning trains from Waterford will be 6 coaches

dowlingm · 06-06-2010, 17:06

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Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

The morning Carlow train continues to dead head from Dublin

The 17:25 service being extended to Waterford should mean 3 more coaches there in the morning so that all 3 morning trains from Waterford will be 6 coaches

Ah, okay. Thanks.

Kilocharlie · 14-06-2010, 10:05

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Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

The morning Carlow train continues to dead head from Dublin

The 17:25 service being extended to Waterford should mean 3 more coaches there in the morning so that all 3 morning trains from Waterford will be 6 coaches

Today, Monday, the 0610 to Dublin was still a 3-coach! So no change there.

ACustomer · 14-06-2010, 11:18

Kilkea: if the 0710 can run to time with an extra stop, then the lesson is to reduce the journey time to 1h55m (or less). With the increased speed of road transport due to the Motorway network, we badly need faster rail journey times.

A persistent tendency with IE is to add extra stops in the period following a radical timetable improvement: once again the triumph of the local over the broader interest (with all due respects to Athy!).

It's an Intercity service, and that should mean really fast trains over long distances.

31-05-2010, 14:41	#1
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Said train currently runs empty back from Carlow to Portlaoise each evening, it was on our hit list of empty trains from 2 years ago. Also means the end of an empty movement to Carlow each morning. Pity they didn't skip Killkenny for the reverse of the fast morning train This means there will be a further 3 coaches in Waterford each morning and therefore an end to the hassle on a Monday morning Net cost actually a saving in fuel as it would appear to be fewer miles this way that current It runs as of today according to the Irish Rail timetable planner, once again Irish Rail fail to communicate timetable changes in good time __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know Last edited by Mark Gleeson : 31-05-2010 at 14:44.

06-06-2010, 01:55	#3
dowlingm Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,371	First of all, splitting the four hour gap was important and should have been done. Personally, I would have added a stop in Kildare to pick up transfers but better than a kick in the behind. Hopefully the 3h20 gap ex Waterford in the morning will be addressed too. One of the few things I think we can agree with Big Dick F about in his public utterances is that frequency is key. Time not spent waiting for a train is just as important as how fast it is, and is sometimes the cheaper option over a track upgrade. Pity they couldn't find a way to put on a late ex Waterford (in the 1930/2000 range) but hopefully increased patronage will lead to further expansion up to the limits of what is basically a single track line (albeit with Lavistown). Mark G - I'm trying to understand the implications for the morning service. 3 extra carriages in Waterford, but what good are they since they are being deadheaded from Waterford approx 0530 to Carlow for the 0625? Or do you mean where a problem is found overnight they will be swapped to a later service and the 0625 Carlow will be cancelled? Edit to note: the 1635 ex Heuston is essentially a Carlow-Waterford evening commuter service, given that it leaves 1743. I wonder if there will be take-up for that as such. Last edited by dowlingm : 06-06-2010 at 01:57.

06-06-2010, 11:41	#5
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	The morning Carlow train continues to dead head from Dublin The 17:25 service being extended to Waterford should mean 3 more coaches there in the morning so that all 3 morning trains from Waterford will be 6 coaches __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

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14-06-2010, 11:18	#8
ACustomer Really Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 767	Kilkea: if the 0710 can run to time with an extra stop, then the lesson is to reduce the journey time to 1h55m (or less). With the increased speed of road transport due to the Motorway network, we badly need faster rail journey times. A persistent tendency with IE is to add extra stops in the period following a radical timetable improvement: once again the triumph of the local over the broader interest (with all due respects to Athy!). It's an Intercity service, and that should mean really fast trains over long distances.