New Timetable

[dowlingm]

Originally Posted by comcor

I haven't been there in years, but IIRC, there's a third track at Dun Laoighaire, which faces to the North.

How much difficulty would there be in turning this into a through track so that DARTS could use it when being overtaken?

Given than the other two tracks go into a tunnel, I would think it would be a little tricky

[sublimity]

Originally Posted by paddyb180285

If clockface timetabling does come into effect, do you guys think that it will spell the end of the 09:06/09:10 Dalkey/Glenageary-Balbriggan service? Or do you think it will be the contrary, with more Commuter branded trains serving stations like these.

Personally I hope there will be less Commuter branded trains Bray-Connolly. More DART's are needed at peak times like it was 10 years ago or so.

If there is to be the increase to 5 intercity services a day I would say there will be less commuter trains passing by the southside in the near future.

[Colm Moore]

Originally Posted by comcor

I haven't been there in years, but IIRC, there's a third track at Dun Laoighaire, which faces to the North.

How much difficulty would there be in turning this into a through track so that DARTS could use it when being overtaken? From what I remember, there was the station building and a rail overbridge beyond it. Is there any realistic potential for connecting it through?

Its possible, but practical is another matter. The council is / was considering building a promenade over the railway. However, the Rosslare train would need to be right behind the DART to pass is here. Possibly more sensible would be triple tracking Merrion Gates - Blackrock Tunnel. but I think thats for the infrastructure section.

[paddyb180285]

If the Rosslare trains are to go 5 times daily, could this ultimately mean Gorey Commuter services going 10 times daily? The reason why I ask is that there appears to be twice as many Gorey trains as Rosslare trains. Also, if this proposed frequency is true about Rosslare, it should follow this pattern:
Southbound:
Connolly-Rosslare:
7:30, 10:30, 13:30, 16:30, 19:30.
Connolly-Gorey Only:
9:30, 12:30, 15:30, 18:30, 21:30.
Resulting frequency to Gorey:
7:30, 9:30, 10:30, 12:30, 13:30, 15:30, 16:30, 18:30, 19:30, 21:30.

Northbound:
Rosslare-Connolly:
7:00, 10:00, 13:00, 16:00, 19:00.
Gorey-Connolly only:
6:00, 8:00, 12:00, 14:00, 17:00, 21:00.
Resulting frequency from Gorey:
6:00, 7:00, 8:00, 10:00, 12:00, 13:00, 14:00, 16:00, 17:00, 19:00, 21:00.

The northbound frequency would be one stronger than the southbound due to the higher priority. When I did a little research on Wikipedia about the stations along this particular stretch, I realised that there are far more passing loops than I initially thought. These should suffice for the aforementioned frequency. For the more frequent Gorey service, it may involve extending the journey length of more Maynooth/Drogheda services which would free up space at Pearse and Connolly for more of these services. Similarly, for the more frequent Rosslare service, it may involve merging them with a possible extra service to and from Sligo. Therefore, both lines reap the benefits.

As many of you often suggest, Connolly and Pearse have become backlogs. Hence, the proposed frequency serves to reduce this. Although the property market has suffered a major blow in terms of sell out, I do think that the proposed frequency would ultimately lead to residential property investment south of Greystones when the recession begins to reverse. At the moment, way to much emphasis is being put on development to the North and North-West direction which is resulting in the bottlenecks frequently seen in these parts. For this reason, I think it should shift to the south of Greystones whereby the proposed frequency would be instrumental in a more evenly distributed traffic sprawl. What do you guys think?

[ThomasJ]

Originally Posted by paddyb180285

If the Rosslare trains are to go 5 times daily, could this ultimately mean Gorey Commuter services going 10 times daily? The reason why I ask is that there appears to be twice as many Gorey trains as Rosslare trains. Also, if this proposed frequency is true about Rosslare, it should follow this pattern:
Southbound:
Connolly-Rosslare:
7:30, 10:30, 13:30, 16:30, 19:30.
Connolly-Gorey Only:
9:30, 12:30, 15:30, 18:30, 21:30.
Resulting frequency to Gorey:
7:30, 9:30, 10:30, 12:30, 13:30, 15:30, 16:30, 18:30, 19:30, 21:30.

Northbound:
Rosslare-Connolly:
7:00, 10:00, 13:00, 16:00, 19:00.
Gorey-Connolly only:
6:00, 8:00, 12:00, 14:00, 17:00, 21:00.
Resulting frequency from Gorey:
6:00, 7:00, 8:00, 10:00, 12:00, 13:00, 14:00, 16:00, 17:00, 19:00, 21:00.

The northbound frequency would be one stronger than the southbound due to the higher priority. When I did a little research on Wikipedia about the stations along this particular stretch, I realised that there are far more passing loops than I initially thought. These should suffice for the aforementioned frequency. For the more frequent Gorey service, it may involve extending the journey length of more Maynooth/Drogheda services which would free up space at Pearse and Connolly for more of these services. Similarly, for the more frequent Rosslare service, it may involve merging them with a possible extra service to and from Sligo. Therefore, both lines reap the benefits.

As many of you often suggest, Connolly and Pearse have become backlogs. Hence, the proposed frequency serves to reduce this. Although the property market has suffered a major blow in terms of sell out, I do think that the proposed frequency would ultimately lead to residential property investment south of Greystones when the recession begins to reverse. At the moment, way to much emphasis is being put on development to the North and North-West direction which is resulting in the bottlenecks frequently seen in these parts. For this reason, I think it should shift to the south of Greystones whereby the proposed frequency would be instrumental in a more evenly distributed traffic sprawl. What do you guys think?

Not neccessarilly, if you look at Longford /Mullingar services there are 3 ontop of the usual Longford services. The 21:00hrs Dublin-Mullingar service has still not being implemented and I would have considered it the busier of the two. Having said that if anything has thought us with this argument over what railcars being used on the Gorey/rosslare line, if there was a 4-coacgh 29k set on the gorey line running a 21:30hrs service people would use it not because of the logistics/resources of the service but because of the convinience of been able to get back from dublin by train at that hour of the night. How many workers in dublin going to gorey would the 18:30 from dublin not suit because of shift work/overtime/afterwork pints?

think of GAA fans going to croker at weekends. And this doesn't just apply to Gorey this applies to Mullingar, the 21:00hrs Pearse Mullingar all stops should be happening!

[Colm Moore]

There actually is a new print of the Connolly-Rosslare timetable, so no changes expected this side of back to school time.

[KSW]

Originally Posted by Victor

There actually is a new print of the Connolly-Rosslare timetable, so no changes expected this side of back to school time.

Just noticed small changes Gorey to Dublin,

• 06.45 to 06.40
• 08.50 to 08.45
• 14.10 to 14.05
• 18.50 to 18.45

Are these changes for real as the Dublin side hasn't changed ?

[paddyb180285]

Originally Posted by KSW

Just noticed small changes Gorey to Dublin,

• 06.45 to 06.40
• 08.50 to 08.45
• 14.10 to 14.05
• 18.50 to 18.45

Are these changes for real as the Dublin side hasn't changed ?

Correct me if I'm wrong but that is a reduction in frequency. At the moment, there are 8 trains northbound to Dublin from Gorey. It looks like they have cut the frequency in Half. Or am I wrong?

Also, it looks like there is no clockface on that timetable. Random as usual. Unless the remaining services to Rosslare will make it look more like a pattern?

[KSW]

Originally Posted by paddyb180285

Correct me if I'm wrong but that is a reduction in frequency. At the moment, there are 8 trains northbound to Dublin from Gorey. It looks like they have cut the frequency in Half. Or am I wrong?

Also, it looks like there is no clockface on that timetable. Random as usual. Unless the remaining services to Rosslare will make it look more like a pattern?

I just mentioned the times that have changed, I didn't mention the times that haven't changed (i.e) 06.45 to 06.40 but 14.10 the same as 14.10 etc..

I to hope that this isn't the timetable, Hopefully clockface will come soon

[DangerM]

Originally Posted by KSW

Just noticed small changes Gorey to Dublin,

• 06.45 to 06.40
• 08.50 to 08.45
• 14.10 to 14.05
• 18.50 to 18.45

Are these changes for real as the Dublin side hasn't changed ?

I just went onto the Irish Rail website because I get the 06.45 train (07:19 from Rathdrum). When you pull up the timetable for a certain date from Rathdrum it now states it leaves at 07:15, including today when it left at 07:19 as normal. When you click on the Printed Timetables however it still states 07:19 as the departure time! Which one are we meant to go from and why does it need to leave 5 minutes earlier, just so it can sit outside Greystones for 5 minutes longer???

[DangerM]

They have all changed back now to the original times on the website!

[dowlingm]

All very well saying ramp up south of Greystones but when is the next Bray Head problem (from above or below) going to happen?

[ThomasJ]

In my option it is undoubtedly the worse timetable I have seen.
Journey times are still the same if not longer.
New 08.01 from Gorey and the 11.20 will be good services..

I ASSUME IT IS OK TO UPLOAD THE FILE FOR THE ROSSLARE LINE

Please note times are still subject to change
HOPEFULLY

like i have said this is clockface DART on the way it is going to impact the rosslare line no doubt.

[Mark Hennessy]

Originally Posted by ThomasJ

like i have said this is clockface DART on the way it is going to impact the rosslare line no doubt.

Tom,

How will the maynooth line look?

More or less the same?

[ThomasJ]

I dont know mark.

From what i heard there would be a cut in capacity but that would be halving of the eight coach trains worse case scenario hourly services during the day but dont forget pace is on the way in the next timetable.

The usual talk of a later sunday service. Its all talk though the evening services out of connolly are doing well even the ten past eleven gets good passenger numbers in particular at the weekend.
Am trying to find out

[PLUMB LOCO]

Tell me it's my eyesight or a misprint - the 06.30 ex.Enniscorthy arrives at Wexford at 06.54 - 4 minutes after the 06.50 service to Waterford has departed!! It seems mind crushing that the Rosslare/Waterford service now trundles up to Wexford and then back to Rosslare Strand before heading to Waterford - and I will still be the only passenger! Am I being stupid?

PS Where did this timetable come from or is it a State secret?

[Mark Hennessy]

Originally Posted by PLUMB LOCO

Tell me it's my eyesight or a misprint - the 06.30 ex.Enniscorthy arrives at Wexford at 06.54 - 4 minutes after the 06.50 service to Waterford has departed!!

Does Wexford have two platforms

[Mark Gleeson]

It doesn't

The resignalling added a loop just north of the station to allow trains to pass. There is also the ability to store a train at Wexford in a a way not to obstruct any other service

[Thomas Ralph]

It seems amazingly silly for the Enniscorthy-Wexford service to not connect with the train on to Waterford. Wexford does only have the one platform, but it fits a six-car 2X00, so it would also fit the two-car train to Waterford and a four-car train which becomes the 0720 Wexford-Dundalk.

Even if it didn't fit, the train from Enniscorthy could pull in, discharge passengers who want to connect to Waterford, pull out again, wait for the train to Waterford to come and go, and then return to the platform in plenty of time.

[Mark Gleeson]

There is no problem with posting copies of the new timetable, anywhere else in Europe 8-12 weeks notice would be given as a mater of fact

If it is viewed as confidential by Irish Rail, they should never have given it to anyone. I'm well used to the you can look at this but you can't have a copy routine.