New Timetable

[KSW]

Originally Posted by ThomasJ

Not quiet fingers crossed have heard rumours that DART is returning to proper clockface timetable with DARTs every 10 minutes peak, every 15 minutes offpeak (even heard a rumour that the timetables might be built around the DART timetable). so there will be a small bit more squeeze on the connolly-DL stretch

You know if Irish Rail want the Rosslare line to be used by more people going to (i.e)Wexford, then they are also going to have to listen to the Rosslare line passengers. Irish Rail say they will have Five services each way to Rosslare/Wexford so on their own phrase they really should think the best practical way for the Connolly/Bray section of track. I am not harsh, Every Rosslare line user knows how IE treat this line with lack of respect so to speak.
Bray to Connolly currently is perfect needs no changes because there is 15min gaps between DART/Rosslare. Connolly to Bray needs to be looked at, Its not impossible just feels like that with Irish Rail

Is there a rule in Irish Rail that does not permit a train to run a section of track Right track, Wrong track.?

[ThomasJ]

So end of september now looks like for the new timetable

Current timetable now ends 26th September 2009!

[sublimity]

Originally Posted by ThomasJ

So end of september now looks like for the new timetable

Current timetable now ends 26th September 2009!

Wouldn't pay much attention to that-it keeps changing every month on website. Could be end of August

[Colm Moore]

Originally Posted by KSW

Is there a rule in Irish Rail that does not permit a train to run a section of track Right track, Wrong track.?

It can be done Haoth Junction - Dun Laoghaire, but it can introduce its own headaches.

[ThomasJ]

Originally Posted by Victor

It can be done Haoth Junction - Dun Laoghaire, but it can introduce its own headaches.

let alone the northbound trains it would hold up!

[KSW]

Originally Posted by KSW

Is there a rule in Irish Rail that does not permit a train to run a section of track Right track, Wrong track.?

The reason why I asked is because if there was a solution to sort out Rosslare trains from Connolly Station to Bray without touching the DART timetable to have them travel only one step further than the DART by passing it out on the wrong track, Right track idea before a Northbound DART reaches. Could it work ~!

[comcor]

I haven't been there in years, but IIRC, there's a third track at Dun Laoighaire, which faces to the North.

How much difficulty would there be in turning this into a through track so that DARTS could use it when being overtaken? From what I remember, there was the station building and a rail overbridge beyond it. Is there any realistic potential for connecting it through?

[paddyb180285]

If clockface timetabling does come into effect, do you guys think that it will spell the end of the 09:06/09:10 Dalkey/Glenageary-Balbriggan service? Or do you think it will be the contrary, with more Commuter branded trains serving stations like these.

Personally, I would hate to see this handy number being taken out of service as it get's me into town far quicker! Plus, most of the people at Glenageary board this service when it arrives which must be well of 20 strong. A lot of times, I see two trains leaving Pearse Station at the evening heading for Bray only. One leaves at roughly 16:00 and the other one leaves at 16:55. These two trains should additionally call at Glenageary/Dalkey/Both in the new timetable.

[sublimity]

Originally Posted by paddyb180285

If clockface timetabling does come into effect, do you guys think that it will spell the end of the 09:06/09:10 Dalkey/Glenageary-Balbriggan service? Or do you think it will be the contrary, with more Commuter branded trains serving stations like these.

Personally I hope there will be less Commuter branded trains Bray-Connolly. More DART's are needed at peak times like it was 10 years ago or so.

If there is to be the increase to 5 intercity services a day I would say there will be less commuter trains passing by the southside in the near future.

[dowlingm]

Originally Posted by comcor

I haven't been there in years, but IIRC, there's a third track at Dun Laoighaire, which faces to the North.

How much difficulty would there be in turning this into a through track so that DARTS could use it when being overtaken?

Given than the other two tracks go into a tunnel, I would think it would be a little tricky

[Colm Moore]

There actually is a new print of the Connolly-Rosslare timetable, so no changes expected this side of back to school time.

[KSW]

Originally Posted by Victor

There actually is a new print of the Connolly-Rosslare timetable, so no changes expected this side of back to school time.

Just noticed small changes Gorey to Dublin,

• 06.45 to 06.40
• 08.50 to 08.45
• 14.10 to 14.05
• 18.50 to 18.45

Are these changes for real as the Dublin side hasn't changed ?

[paddyb180285]

Originally Posted by KSW

Just noticed small changes Gorey to Dublin,

• 06.45 to 06.40
• 08.50 to 08.45
• 14.10 to 14.05
• 18.50 to 18.45

Are these changes for real as the Dublin side hasn't changed ?

Correct me if I'm wrong but that is a reduction in frequency. At the moment, there are 8 trains northbound to Dublin from Gorey. It looks like they have cut the frequency in Half. Or am I wrong?

Also, it looks like there is no clockface on that timetable. Random as usual. Unless the remaining services to Rosslare will make it look more like a pattern?

[DangerM]

Originally Posted by KSW

Just noticed small changes Gorey to Dublin,

• 06.45 to 06.40
• 08.50 to 08.45
• 14.10 to 14.05
• 18.50 to 18.45

Are these changes for real as the Dublin side hasn't changed ?

I just went onto the Irish Rail website because I get the 06.45 train (07:19 from Rathdrum). When you pull up the timetable for a certain date from Rathdrum it now states it leaves at 07:15, including today when it left at 07:19 as normal. When you click on the Printed Timetables however it still states 07:19 as the departure time! Which one are we meant to go from and why does it need to leave 5 minutes earlier, just so it can sit outside Greystones for 5 minutes longer???

[Colm Moore]

Originally Posted by comcor

I haven't been there in years, but IIRC, there's a third track at Dun Laoighaire, which faces to the North.

How much difficulty would there be in turning this into a through track so that DARTS could use it when being overtaken? From what I remember, there was the station building and a rail overbridge beyond it. Is there any realistic potential for connecting it through?

Its possible, but practical is another matter. The council is / was considering building a promenade over the railway. However, the Rosslare train would need to be right behind the DART to pass is here. Possibly more sensible would be triple tracking Merrion Gates - Blackrock Tunnel. but I think thats for the infrastructure section.

[paddyb180285]

If the Rosslare trains are to go 5 times daily, could this ultimately mean Gorey Commuter services going 10 times daily? The reason why I ask is that there appears to be twice as many Gorey trains as Rosslare trains. Also, if this proposed frequency is true about Rosslare, it should follow this pattern:
Southbound:
Connolly-Rosslare:
7:30, 10:30, 13:30, 16:30, 19:30.
Connolly-Gorey Only:
9:30, 12:30, 15:30, 18:30, 21:30.
Resulting frequency to Gorey:
7:30, 9:30, 10:30, 12:30, 13:30, 15:30, 16:30, 18:30, 19:30, 21:30.

Northbound:
Rosslare-Connolly:
7:00, 10:00, 13:00, 16:00, 19:00.
Gorey-Connolly only:
6:00, 8:00, 12:00, 14:00, 17:00, 21:00.
Resulting frequency from Gorey:
6:00, 7:00, 8:00, 10:00, 12:00, 13:00, 14:00, 16:00, 17:00, 19:00, 21:00.

The northbound frequency would be one stronger than the southbound due to the higher priority. When I did a little research on Wikipedia about the stations along this particular stretch, I realised that there are far more passing loops than I initially thought. These should suffice for the aforementioned frequency. For the more frequent Gorey service, it may involve extending the journey length of more Maynooth/Drogheda services which would free up space at Pearse and Connolly for more of these services. Similarly, for the more frequent Rosslare service, it may involve merging them with a possible extra service to and from Sligo. Therefore, both lines reap the benefits.

As many of you often suggest, Connolly and Pearse have become backlogs. Hence, the proposed frequency serves to reduce this. Although the property market has suffered a major blow in terms of sell out, I do think that the proposed frequency would ultimately lead to residential property investment south of Greystones when the recession begins to reverse. At the moment, way to much emphasis is being put on development to the North and North-West direction which is resulting in the bottlenecks frequently seen in these parts. For this reason, I think it should shift to the south of Greystones whereby the proposed frequency would be instrumental in a more evenly distributed traffic sprawl. What do you guys think?

[ThomasJ]

Originally Posted by paddyb180285

If the Rosslare trains are to go 5 times daily, could this ultimately mean Gorey Commuter services going 10 times daily? The reason why I ask is that there appears to be twice as many Gorey trains as Rosslare trains. Also, if this proposed frequency is true about Rosslare, it should follow this pattern:
Southbound:
Connolly-Rosslare:
7:30, 10:30, 13:30, 16:30, 19:30.
Connolly-Gorey Only:
9:30, 12:30, 15:30, 18:30, 21:30.
Resulting frequency to Gorey:
7:30, 9:30, 10:30, 12:30, 13:30, 15:30, 16:30, 18:30, 19:30, 21:30.

Northbound:
Rosslare-Connolly:
7:00, 10:00, 13:00, 16:00, 19:00.
Gorey-Connolly only:
6:00, 8:00, 12:00, 14:00, 17:00, 21:00.
Resulting frequency from Gorey:
6:00, 7:00, 8:00, 10:00, 12:00, 13:00, 14:00, 16:00, 17:00, 19:00, 21:00.

The northbound frequency would be one stronger than the southbound due to the higher priority. When I did a little research on Wikipedia about the stations along this particular stretch, I realised that there are far more passing loops than I initially thought. These should suffice for the aforementioned frequency. For the more frequent Gorey service, it may involve extending the journey length of more Maynooth/Drogheda services which would free up space at Pearse and Connolly for more of these services. Similarly, for the more frequent Rosslare service, it may involve merging them with a possible extra service to and from Sligo. Therefore, both lines reap the benefits.

As many of you often suggest, Connolly and Pearse have become backlogs. Hence, the proposed frequency serves to reduce this. Although the property market has suffered a major blow in terms of sell out, I do think that the proposed frequency would ultimately lead to residential property investment south of Greystones when the recession begins to reverse. At the moment, way to much emphasis is being put on development to the North and North-West direction which is resulting in the bottlenecks frequently seen in these parts. For this reason, I think it should shift to the south of Greystones whereby the proposed frequency would be instrumental in a more evenly distributed traffic sprawl. What do you guys think?

Not neccessarilly, if you look at Longford /Mullingar services there are 3 ontop of the usual Longford services. The 21:00hrs Dublin-Mullingar service has still not being implemented and I would have considered it the busier of the two. Having said that if anything has thought us with this argument over what railcars being used on the Gorey/rosslare line, if there was a 4-coacgh 29k set on the gorey line running a 21:30hrs service people would use it not because of the logistics/resources of the service but because of the convinience of been able to get back from dublin by train at that hour of the night. How many workers in dublin going to gorey would the 18:30 from dublin not suit because of shift work/overtime/afterwork pints?

think of GAA fans going to croker at weekends. And this doesn't just apply to Gorey this applies to Mullingar, the 21:00hrs Pearse Mullingar all stops should be happening!