Cork-Midleton line opening next month

comcor · 08-06-2009, 15:49

I'd often thought that the early morning Dublin train should have started in Cobh, so Midleton would be an alternative on that.

Mark Gleeson · 08-06-2009, 15:54

Neither Cobh nor Midleton have platforms sufficient in length to take a full length intercity service, Cobh you might be able get away with but Midleton is a non starter

Don't even start with the union issues it would cause

The Midleton timetable is well planned, departures on the xx:45 arrive Cork with a good 20 minutes or so to make the connection into the Dublin bound services at xx:30

If you are serious about getting to Dublin early you would be on the 5:05 or 6:30

sublimity · 08-06-2009, 17:01

Why dont they make the platforms long enough to handle any train type.

Sick of all this health & safety rubbish lately, shortening of platforms etc.

In theory any train type should be able to go anywhere and thats what it should be like in practice

comcor · 09-06-2009, 08:24

Is there any point really?

It makes the construction of stations more expensive and makes it more difficult to site them.

There are stations all over the network that will never need to take a CDE or Enterprise.

I'm a bit surprised that Cobh can't. It's a pretty substantial station dating back to the time when Cobh was the Dublin Airport of the 19th century (except of course that it had a railway station...).

sublimity · 09-06-2009, 11:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by comcor

Is there any point really?

It makes the construction of stations more expensive and makes it more difficult to site them.

There are stations all over the network that will never need to take a CDE or Enterprise.

I'm a bit surprised that Cobh can't. It's a pretty substantial station dating back to the time when Cobh was the Dublin Airport of the 19th century (except of course that it had a railway station...).

I didn't mean every station platform!! Certain stations.

Cobh could handle a Mk3, Mk4 and 6 piece 22k. IE are probably just not interested in extending the Cork enterprise for the reasons Mark gave

Mark Gleeson · 09-06-2009, 11:56

Its far cheaper send a 2 coach railcar out to Cobh or Midleton, it doesn't have any union, technical or safety problems. As it stands you can get from Cobh to Cork in time for the 6:30 to Dublin, from Midleton the best is the 8:30 which isn't really useful.

There are 3 platform lengths,

90m Cork-Cobh-Midleton + WRC + Ballybrophy (some will take longer) + Limerick - Rosslare
174m all Dublin suburban stations + Sligo line + Rosslare (Rathdrum excepted)
210m all Intercity stations from Heuston

Longer platform costs more money and also require greater exit capacity. Midleton line platforms can be extended to 174m length. A Mk4 or Enterprise set is 203m in length

Thomas Ralph · 09-06-2009, 15:13

Will Midleton and Carrigtwohill stations be staffed, I wonder?

Thomas Ralph · 09-06-2009, 08:25

Usually for geographical reasons; there may not be enough room, or the curvature of the line may not be suited to a longer platform. I'm not sure there's much of a point in spending substantial amounts to equip a station to handle a size of train which it's never envisaged will reach it.

*puts away the crayon box*

finnyus · 09-06-2009, 08:41

giving people the option to get on a train @ either 06:30 or 07:30 is quite realistic. Alternative, as I said, is the 08:30 with a change @ Mallow = Two changes, not very appealing to anyone!

Don't get me wrong, the timetable is really well planned and offers a good service to the people of East Cork. A connection into either the 06:30 or the 07:30 to Dublin from Midleton/Carrigtwohil would allow people to leave there cars closer to home (or even walk from home) instead of having to drive into the city.

Also might get me to work earlier

Fin

08-06-2009, 15:54	#2
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Neither Cobh nor Midleton have platforms sufficient in length to take a full length intercity service, Cobh you might be able get away with but Midleton is a non starter Don't even start with the union issues it would cause The Midleton timetable is well planned, departures on the xx:45 arrive Cork with a good 20 minutes or so to make the connection into the Dublin bound services at xx:30 If you are serious about getting to Dublin early you would be on the 5:05 or 6:30 __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know Last edited by Mark Gleeson : 08-06-2009 at 16:09.

09-06-2009, 11:56	#6
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Its far cheaper send a 2 coach railcar out to Cobh or Midleton, it doesn't have any union, technical or safety problems. As it stands you can get from Cobh to Cork in time for the 6:30 to Dublin, from Midleton the best is the 8:30 which isn't really useful. There are 3 platform lengths, 90m Cork-Cobh-Midleton + WRC + Ballybrophy (some will take longer) + Limerick - Rosslare 174m all Dublin suburban stations + Sligo line + Rosslare (Rathdrum excepted) 210m all Intercity stations from Heuston Longer platform costs more money and also require greater exit capacity. Midleton line platforms can be extended to 174m length. A Mk4 or Enterprise set is 203m in length __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

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08-06-2009, 15:49	#1
comcor Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cork-Dublin, Cork Commuter and occasionally DART and Dublin-Wexford Posts: 855	I'd often thought that the early morning Dublin train should have started in Cobh, so Midleton would be an alternative on that.

08-06-2009, 17:01	#3
sublimity Really Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Dublin Posts: 309	Why dont they make the platforms long enough to handle any train type. Sick of all this health & safety rubbish lately, shortening of platforms etc. In theory any train type should be able to go anywhere and thats what it should be like in practice

09-06-2009, 08:24	#4
comcor Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cork-Dublin, Cork Commuter and occasionally DART and Dublin-Wexford Posts: 855	Is there any point really? It makes the construction of stations more expensive and makes it more difficult to site them. There are stations all over the network that will never need to take a CDE or Enterprise. I'm a bit surprised that Cobh can't. It's a pretty substantial station dating back to the time when Cobh was the Dublin Airport of the 19th century (except of course that it had a railway station...).

09-06-2009, 15:13	#7
Thomas Ralph IT Officer Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greenwich, London Posts: 1,860	Will Midleton and Carrigtwohill stations be staffed, I wonder?

09-06-2009, 08:25	#8
Thomas Ralph IT Officer Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greenwich, London Posts: 1,860	Usually for geographical reasons; there may not be enough room, or the curvature of the line may not be suited to a longer platform. I'm not sure there's much of a point in spending substantial amounts to equip a station to handle a size of train which it's never envisaged will reach it. puts away the crayon box

09-06-2009, 08:41	#9
finnyus Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Cork City/Midleton/Mallow Posts: 211	giving people the option to get on a train @ either 06:30 or 07:30 is quite realistic. Alternative, as I said, is the 08:30 with a change @ Mallow = Two changes, not very appealing to anyone! Don't get me wrong, the timetable is really well planned and offers a good service to the people of East Cork. A connection into either the 06:30 or the 07:30 to Dublin from Midleton/Carrigtwohil would allow people to leave there cars closer to home (or even walk from home) instead of having to drive into the city. Also might get me to work earlier Fin