Rosslare Europort/Dublin Connolly

[KSW]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

These issues have been discussed to death here before There are major journey time reductions coming in Dec 2008 as the combination of new trains and better signaling kick in

These issues have been discussed before but this thread will hopefully sum it up. When you mention major journey times coming in Dec08, There is something that has'nt been mentioned before. I hope they keep that in mind !!

Originally Posted by ThomasJ

But the thing is plant43 some DART passengers [particulary at southside services] have the opinion that its because of these commuter/intercity services that there can be a wait of upto 20 minutes on occasions. The DART has got worse over the years due to the increase in commuter services

I also understand that the DART as to be given priority BUT (there's that word) there is only 3 Rosslare services per day that travel from Connolly to Rosslare(Direct)I just think that these three should be given just that little more attention.

Originally Posted by ThomasJ

On a side note, I don't think you are going to get faster times without resolving the Dublin to Bray section so I think the poll is pointless

I personally think that if the Rosslare train was to change tracks a number of times on route to Bray that the 25-30min time can be archiveable without touching the DART travelling to Bray and the DART coming from Bray. The poll, I wanted to see which would people chose in the way of speed or the bray to connolly section. Which was more important, So far faster journey times from Bray onwards seems to be the winner so the section after all might not be that important to passengers who use it every weekday.!!!!!!!! I have one word InterCity

[Mark Gleeson]

Originally Posted by KSW

I have one word InterCity

Start a campaign to get city status for Wexford so

The best time between Connolly and Bray is fixed at 35 minutes assuming a DART every 15 minutes, only 9 minutes can be made up.

15+ minutes can be chopped off the Rosslare time south of Greystones

[KSW]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

Start a campaign to get city status for Wexford so

Im not saying city status but look at Sligo and Westport they are not cities fair enough large popultions but still not cities

Connolly and Bray 35 minutes assuming a DART every 15 minutes, only 9 minutes can be made up.
15mins I knew it was around that!! Can a train from Bray to Gorey take 1hr if so Connolly to Gorey 1hr35mins it would certainly be friendly to look at rather than the almost 2hrs.....

Cheers Mark....

[dowlingm]

WRC should get 2751 and 2753 - 53 seats and a toilet. Like Ennis and Nenagh they should get minimum capacity until they prove the demand.

[Colm Moore]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

Start a campaign to get city status for Wexford so

InterBorough?

[Derek Wheeler]

I think this line should be closed south of Bray once the N11 upgrades are complete. Its a joke thats costing tax payers a fortune and has very limited development potential that cannot be served by the private car and expressway bus. Its not and never will be an intercity line. Neither does it provide any additional benefit to Rosslare Europort. Likewise the line from Rosslare to Waterford should be scaled back to make it a viable commuter line to Waterford city.

The only reason the rosslare line is still open is because of the europort and its IE link. They wanted to cut it short at Enniscorthy, but realistically the line is redundant after Bray. I say close it. Greystones doesn't need its quaint little "DART" service and the maintenence costs that go with it. Wicklow, Arklow and Gorey "commuters" would get more benefit and efficiency from improved roads and express buses. The argument applied to closing certain railways in the 60s has actually got more relevence now than it did then.

Im not deliberately setting out to be controversial, but the line is sucking funds from the likes of Waterford - Limerick, which in effect is an InterCity line. If we are to go the WRC route (Limerick - Glaway and all its faults) then lets apply decent thinking to lines that link population centres. The Rosslare line's population decreases as it travels southwards. I don't often support IE, but I think they are right in relation to this particular line. Its an opinion Ive had for a long time, but can express now.

[shweeney]

i'm sure you're just being provocative as usual, but quaint or not the line south of Bray is well used for the commuter services at least. Slow as it is the DART is the quickest method of commuting from Greystones to Dublin and closing it would put a lot of extra cars on the road.

South of Gorey is debatable - they certainly shouldn't keep pushing the commuter terminus further south as it will just encourage more long distance commuting.

I agree theres no point spending big money on the line - the benefits would be negligible, but like practically all other lines it could do with better timetabling and less padding.

[dermo88]

This line has parallels with the Settle to Carlisle line in the UK. Propose closing it, and the rail enthusiast lobby will go nuts. I'd keep it open for strategic reasons, such as oil shortages at some point in the future.

It was the first route I used. I still use it when I am back home. But they won't get better than 2 hours 30 minutes out of it between Dublin and Rosslare. There is a lot of padding, and that padding is there to discourage usage, and run it down towards closure. Thats been the case since 1987. It is the case today. Since I don't use it as much anymore, then thats my view. What about the people who do. But usage is dwindling, so is confidence. There are raiilways (worldwide) like this one with beautiful scenery, but when you go to a bar at the end of travelling and you are asked "How did you get here", and you say "train", a look of shock and disbelief results. A look that says "You subjected yourself to that crap".

The competition, on the N11, is of a far higher quality. As far as Iarnrod Eireann are concerned, the Dublin to Rosslare line has been a great advertisement for car dealerships throughout the land. Granted, they have made an effort to change that, but by its very nature, the game will be up if/when a recession hits the country, and Iarnrod Eireanns costs come under review.

How much is it losing per annum. It was losing 4 Million Pounds in the mid to late 90's. I'd easily say its costing 10 Million Euro these days.

Theres very little that can realistically be done with it. I always said "Do it up or close it down", and have no half measures in that respect. It has been done up, but not done up enough to restore confidence. The N11 is like a TGV by comparison. It takes 1 hour to Gorey from Dublin now on that. Bus Eireann can get 1 hour 30 if they tried. The best Iarnrod Eireann can do, and I observed was/is 1 hour 22 minutes.

[Colm Donoghue]

the railcars and dart upgrade* really dented the lines usage.

the N11 improvements have made the bus route far faster, no queuing on Rathnew hill or from the green lizard bends into Ashford.

when I was finishing college it was dearer for a bus student return than a tran student return from Dubln to Arklow cos it was faster and had more and later services.


*upgrade on some stations, some aren't upgraded even though an bord pleanála gave them permission

[KSW]

Originally Posted by shweeney

South of Gorey is debatable - they certainly shouldn't keep pushing the commuter terminus further south as it will just encourage more long distance commuting. With better timetabling and less padding.

I agree with what you said, Ever since the Commuter extention to Enniscorthy with about an extra 10 people whats the point. The last train from Connolly was meant in my opinion to serve past Gorey. Enniscorthy is to near Wexford its almost all the line covered another 40mins and thats the "InterCity" route done. The padding is a serious issue regards all parts of the line.

Originally Posted by dermo88

2 hours 30 minutes Dublin and Rosslare. There is a lot of padding, and that padding is there to discourage usage, and run it down towards closure. But when you go to a bar at the end of travelling and you are asked "How did you get here", and you say "train", a look of shock and disbelief results. A look that says "You subjected yourself to that crap".
The best Iarnrod Eireann can do, and I observed was/is 1 hour 22 minutes.

2hr30mins is the best that IE could manage and that is fine aslike Waterford-Hueston same distance 2hr30min so Rosslare should join it. The padding is crazy and needs attention. Regards what you said "How did you get here" and you say "Train" in Gorey that expression is what you get . The Rosslare "Train" needs an upgrade.

[dermo88]

The Rosslare "train" needs an upgrade.

1. The track is new. Its far better than the very poor track that was there pre 2003, and the relay.
2. The trains are relatively new. Even a 2800 Class railcar set is far cleaner, more modern looking and more attractive than the old Mark 2D and Locomotive fleet that replaces it.
3. The signalling is being replaced.

So most of the ingredients are there. It just needs the right "cook" to put the recipe together and it should work. But.....this is Iarnrod Eireann we are talking about. Over time, the client base will expand, as the towns all have population growth.

[KSW]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

The best time between Connolly and Bray is fixed at 35 minutes assuming a DART every 15 minutes

15+ minutes can be chopped off the Rosslare time south of Greystones

2hr30mins is the best time Dublin to Rosslare but if, lets assuming Connolly to Bray gets 35mins, From Bray to Rosslare lets say 2hrs(1hr55mins).

15+mins gets chopped off south of Greystones that leaves 1hr45mins it does'nt add up. Bray to Gorey is 1hr and not 1hr10mins aslike now. People are saying to themselfs Keith lay off this.Connolly to Bray is 35+10+13+11+15+11+17+23+15+5=2hr35mins That 5mins extra can be given to the trains passing, Driver change.

The ferries from Fishguard + Pembroke arrive into Rosslare at 06:00 & 06:15 I would have thought the 07:40 train to Dublin be busy with English travellers but then again it is 1hr30mins wait which lets be honest is alot. The 17:25 from Connolly to Enniscorthy+Rosslare which connects to the 21:15 to Fishguard(Stena Line) and the 21:00 to Pembroke(Irish Ferries) I would have also thought IE would have something on the Rosslare timetable stating Ferry Connection.

The Ferry from Fishguard + Pembroke arrives 18:00 & 18:15 into Rosslare is the 18:55 train not getting passengers. Its a real shame. I dare say the English has heard about the line