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![]() Sir,
I wish to address some of the points made by John Stafford in relation to the Metro North project (July 29th). The fact is that the National Transport Authority is absolutely right to continue to stress the importance of the Metro North and DART Underground projects as the only lasting solution to Dublin’s traffic congestion problems. Congestion is one of the main urban transportation problems faced by almost all cities and incurs significant costs in terms of wasted time, wasted fuel, lost productivity and high accident rates. In its report Smarter Cities for Smarter Growth, IBM estimated the annual cost of Dublin city’s traffic congestion to be €4 billion in 2008. Congestion also makes Dublin less attractive for vital inward investment. The business case for Metro North, which has been independently audited, demonstrates it delivers a net benefit to the Irish economy of well over €1 billion per annum. Mr Stafford dismisses the passenger forecast as “a mere 34 million”. In fact, this level of patronage will make Metro North the busiest railway line in Ireland by some margin, outstripping the existing hugely successful Luas and DART lines. One only has to look at the destinations being served to understand the importance of Metro North: the high density population centres at Swords, Ballymun and Northwood; four major hospitals; two universities; Croke Park and the retail and business districts in the heart of Dublin’s city centre as well as Dublin airport. These are all major destinations which generate high levels of transport demand. Mr Stafford assumes the fares will be set at a high level in order to repay the cost of building the project. This is not the case, and fares on Metro will be similar to those on the rest of the public transport network. – Yours, etc, TOM MANNING, Public Relations Manager, Railway Procurement Agency, Parkgate Business Centre, Parkgate Street, Dublin 8. |
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![]() 3 more articles in Saturday's Irish Indo - to be fair the reporting was...
1 - Imbalanced 2 - Unbalanced 3 - Nonbalanced http://www.independent.ie/national-n...t-2841519.html http://www.independent.ie/national-n...t-2841505.html http://www.independent.ie/national-n...t-2841516.html |
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![]() Ever since I was in the Indo, I've never read it or taken any account of anything in it.
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![]() Article Irish Times Today -
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...302301839.html FRANK McDONALD, Environment Editor METRO NORTH and Dart Underground are to be dropped by the Government next month following a comprehensive review by Minister for Transport Leo Varadkar of “big ticket” transport projects. According to well-placed sources, the two schemes will be “deferred” indefinitely on the basis that neither can be funded in the current climate, even under public-private partnership (PPP) arrangements. Even though construction costs are considerably lower than they were during the boom and estimates for Metro North were a closely guarded secret, it is believed the scheme would cost at least €3 billion. Given that Dart Underground – billed as the “missing link” that would transform Dublin’s disparate suburban rail services into a network – was likely to cost €2 billion, the combined total would be €5 billion-plus. For political reasons, the term “deferred” will be used, rather than “abandoned” or “cancelled”, with Mr Varadkar holding out hope that both could be built when economic conditions improve. CIÉ’s proposal for a rail spur to Dublin airport from the Dart line at Clongriffin in north Dublin is also widely seen as a non-runner. “It’s a daft idea and the cost would be enormous,” one source said. But the Railway Procurement Agency (RPA) is optimistic that the Government will go ahead with plans for a city centre link between the existing Luas lines, with a spur to Broombridge on the Maynooth line. The link, known as Luas Line BXD, has already been the subject of an oral hearing by An Bord Pleanála and the board’s approval for a railway order to facilitate its construction could be issued as early as next month. It would run from St Stephen’s Green via Dawson Street, Nassau Street, lower Grafton Street, College Green, Westmoreland Street, O’Connell Street and then on to Broombridge on a currently disused rail line. The line would be split in the city centre, with southbound trams running via Marlborough Street across a new bridge to Hawkins Street and College Street before rejoining the main route in College Green. “If there are no further cutbacks, BXD would fit within the reduced capital spending envelope for transport projects, primarily because of its affordability,” an RPA source told The Irish Times yesterday. “The Government is keen to stimulate the engineering sector and BXD could be done from its own resources. But the bigger capital projects [Metro North and Dart Underground] will have to be deferred,” he said. Another source said PPP projects for the metro and Dart schemes would involve “crazy money” to service the debt. Interest rates would be “prohibitive”, especially with the financial markets in turmoil now. This is recognised by the final two bidders for the Metro North PPP, the Celtic Metro Group, which includes Mitsui and Barclays Private Equity, and Metro Express, which includes Bombardier and Macquarie. RPA chief executive Frank Allen, whose term of office was due to end this month, has had his contract extended for a further year, pending the agency’s proposed merger with the National Roads Authority. The RPA has spent nearly €200 million on preparatory work for Metro North, which would run from St Stephen’s Green to Swords, via Dublin airport. The project was finally approved by An Bord Pleanála last October |
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![]() Jesus.. what a great county. Lets bail out the bankers and builders but no proper transport network for Dublin and this plan goes back in different forms to the original DART plan of the 1970s.
If this doesn't get build, I'm leaving the country. And everyone's going to vote for Gaybo.. what a place.. |
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Going ahead with BXD and onwards might well be the right decision given the strong LUAS performance to date. |
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![]() Yes that is true of course, minimum link up the Luas links and extend to Broombridge
If the worse comes to the worse, at least resignal the Maynooth Line fully, remove level crossings and build the new stations required.. |
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I have the feeling we are going to see a Maynooth line DART service once the resignalling/level crossings aspect is done, helped by the City Centre resignalling, the "clockface" DART tidy-up introduced last year coupled with the tidy-up of Maynooth/M3 services expected later this year, more because of efficiency rather than service improvement, who knows!....... |
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![]() I live in hope.. even the DARTification of the line with new rolling stock and a depot in Maynooth would be the best fallback scenario..
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![]() The games have started it appears http://www.irishrail.ie/news_centre/...w&news_id=1180
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![]() Does anyone else find it incredibly bizarre that there will be 3 DART lines (if this suggestion was to proceed) operating to Northside areas that are so close to each other?
http://www.irishrail.ie/news_centre/...w&news_id=1180 map: http://www.irishrail.ie/images/uploa...rport_link.pdf |
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![]() Two important parts to note on why the DU/Maynooth/Northern line electrification and Metro North was
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Between the capacity problems at Connolly and it's failure to integrate with LUAS Green Line and Heuston InterCity, it loses almost every advantage it has. |
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Dart needs to start at 03.45 (every 25-30 mins until 5.00) and it should run until 02.00 at least in summer. Personally it should be 24 hours, train every 30 - 45 mins between Midnight - 5.00am. 6.00 - 7.00 is the bussiest time of the day at the airport and with a DART not starting until 5.00 nobody travling between 6.00 - 7.00 can use the service. Last edited by Jamie2k9 : 12-08-2011 at 17:53. |
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![]() Oh God, this is typical of the Irish Government. After all the planning, discussion and promises they just shelve it. I thought they had already started the work on the Metro line. I definitely thought they would go ahead and build it no matter what, even if meant borrowing heavily to fund it. Oh well I suppose I should have expected they would deal with it in this way. Basically go with a cheaper, worse solution that seems to resolve the problem in the short term, but really is just a poor excuse for a solution. The metro would have been a really useful service and they kind of service that almost every other country in Europe has to transport people form the airport to the city centre.
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