[News] Waterford rail services expanded

finnyus · 31-05-2010, 14:12

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The number of rail services to and from Waterford are to be increased from next week.

Irish Rail said there will be an extra train from Dublin Heuston to Waterford - and an additional service between Waterford and Dublin - Monday to Saturday.

The 17.35 evening commuter train from Dublin to Carlow will also be extended to serve Kilkenny and Waterford.

Read more: http://breakingnews.ie/archives/2010...#ixzz0pW4QHj00

from breakingnews.ie

Mark Gleeson · 31-05-2010, 14:41

Said train currently runs empty back from Carlow to Portlaoise each evening, it was on our hit list of empty trains from 2 years ago. Also means the end of an empty movement to Carlow each morning.

Pity they didn't skip Killkenny for the reverse of the fast morning train

This means there will be a further 3 coaches in Waterford each morning and therefore an end to the hassle on a Monday morning

Net cost actually a saving in fuel as it would appear to be fewer miles this way that current

It runs as of today according to the Irish Rail timetable planner, once again Irish Rail fail to communicate timetable changes in good time

Kilkea · 02-06-2010, 06:52

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Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

It runs as of today according to the Irish Rail timetable planner, once again Irish Rail fail to communicate timetable changes in good time

Just on the 06.10 Waterford Heuston at the moment and they have leaflets on every table announcing the "fantastic new timetable".It is coming into effect from next Tuesday 8th June.

Always good to hear of new services coming onto the Waterford line as there never seems to be much attention to the line from anyone, even though it is a very busy route. They now have the basis for a reletively good timetable(there is always room for improvement such as letting the 07.10 Waterford Heuston service stop at Athy to provide further flexibility), I think the real change will be when the Kildare Route Project is finally finished, as the Dublin outbound services are being held up everyday. If they can get their customers home in good time then there will be much happier faces all around.

dowlingm · 06-06-2010, 01:55

First of all, splitting the four hour gap was important and should have been done. Personally, I would have added a stop in Kildare to pick up transfers but better than a kick in the behind. Hopefully the 3h20 gap ex Waterford in the morning will be addressed too. One of the few things I think we can agree with Big Dick F about in his public utterances is that frequency is key. Time not spent waiting for a train is just as important as how fast it is, and is sometimes the cheaper option over a track upgrade.

Pity they couldn't find a way to put on a late ex Waterford (in the 1930/2000 range) but hopefully increased patronage will lead to further expansion up to the limits of what is basically a single track line (albeit with Lavistown).

Mark G - I'm trying to understand the implications for the morning service. 3 extra carriages in Waterford, but what good are they since they are being deadheaded from Waterford approx 0530 to Carlow for the 0625? Or do you mean where a problem is found overnight they will be swapped to a later service and the 0625 Carlow will be cancelled?

Edit to note: the 1635 ex Heuston is essentially a Carlow-Waterford evening commuter service, given that it leaves 1743. I wonder if there will be take-up for that as such.

Colm Moore · 06-06-2010, 08:33

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Originally Posted by dowlingm

Mark G - I'm trying to understand the implications for the morning service. 3 extra carriages in Waterford, but what good are they since they are being deadheaded from Waterford approx 0530 to Carlow for the 0625? Or do you mean where a problem is found overnight they will be swapped to a later service and the 0625 Carlow will be cancelled?

There was a problem in that a service that was originally from Carlow-Dublin and typically full, was changed to start in Waterford, but without extra capacity, thereby making Carlow, Athy and Kildare line commuters stand.

Mark Gleeson · 06-06-2010, 11:41

The morning Carlow train continues to dead head from Dublin

The 17:25 service being extended to Waterford should mean 3 more coaches there in the morning so that all 3 morning trains from Waterford will be 6 coaches

neoncircles · 31-05-2010, 14:59

Sadly looks like the only Waterford train that will be extended! *cough* rosslare *cough* limerick junction

Mark Gleeson · 31-05-2010, 15:08

To be fair Waterford Dublin ranks as the third or fourth busiest route

Its interesting how much effort they put in yet cannot move the 17:20 to Rosslare to 17:40 to enable a connection

Colm Moore · 01-06-2010, 20:36

It looks like the 06:25 from Carlow is still positioning to Carlow out of service.

http://www.irishrail.ie/news_centre/news.asp?action=view&news_id=774

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New Waterford Services from Tuesday 8th June by Corporate Communications

New Waterford Services from Tuesday 8th June

Iarnrod Eireann would like to advise customers that new Waterford services will operate from Tuesday 8th June as follows:

17.35 Heuston to Carlow service will be extended to Waterford

13.20 Heuston to Waterford (New Service)

16.50 Waterford to Heuston (New Service)

Click here for a PDF version of the timetable. http://www.irishrail.ie/upload/Dublin%20Waterford%2010.pdf

Jamie2k9 · 11-06-2010, 15:37

The 7:10 from Waterford - Dublin Heuston will call at Athy on Monday Only. It will dep Athy at 08:19. It has not been added to the Journey Planner yet but if you go to Printed Timetables and click on Timetable Alterations it will say it. It also gives you the minior timetable alterations to facilite the new services

Kilkea · 13-06-2010, 20:51

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Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

The 7:10 from Waterford - Dublin Heuston will call at Athy on Monday Only. It will dep Athy at 08:19. It has not been added to the Journey Planner yet but if you go to Printed Timetables and click on Timetable Alterations it will say it. It also gives you the minior timetable alterations to facilite the new services

I see it is still getting into Dublin at 9.10 (same time as every other day), so why don't they let this stop at Athy every day, this would be a great addition to the timetable to Athy commuters.

Jamie2k9 · 14-06-2010, 11:21

All the morning trains from Waterford should be 6 car but there is still a spear 3 car set because the 15:10 form Dublin - Waterford is a 6 car and the 18:20 return service ex Waterford is a 3 car from Monday - Thursday but it is 6 car on Friday and Saturday's. This may of changed since the 17:35 has been extended to Waterford.

Traincustomer · 19-06-2010, 21:01

Notices posted at Athy Station state the time of 08:21 and seem to indicate the Athy stop will be M-S inclusive.

New route timetable leaflets now available at Heuston but neither they nor the Journey Planner show the above.

dowlingm · 21-06-2010, 02:33

Can't go around promoting this stuff - what if people were to start using it???

Kilkea · 22-06-2010, 07:27

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Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

All the morning trains from Waterford should be 6 car but there is still a spear 3 car set because the 15:10 form Dublin - Waterford is a 6 car and the 18:20 return service ex Waterford is a 3 car from Monday - Thursday but it is 6 car on Friday and Saturday's. This may of changed since the 17:35 has been extended to Waterford.

Monday morning 06.10 Waterford Dublin is still 3 car set

Jamie2k9 · 22-06-2010, 14:30

It look like the 06:10 service will be a 3 car set every Monday as the first class option on IE journey planner is booked out every Monday on that service but you can book it every other day on the service.

Kilocharlie · 22-06-2010, 18:39

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Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

It look like the 06:10 service will be a 3 car set every Monday as the first class option on IE journey planner is booked out every Monday on that service but you can book it every other day on the service.

But the 18:40 on Sunday is still available with Premier seats. So what happens this train on Sunday night in Waterford? Transforms into a 3-coach? Sent back to Dublin???

Jamie2k9 · 22-06-2010, 19:14

M

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Originally Posted by Kilocharlie

But the 18:40 on Sunday is still available with Premier seats. So what happens this train on Sunday night in Waterford? Transforms into a 3-coach? Sent back to Dublin???

Mabye the 6 car set with the Premier seats is used on the 07:40 but passengers are allowed to sit in first class as the train is packed by the time it gets to Dublin.

Jamie2k9 · 30-06-2010, 14:52

Does anyone know if the 07:10 is stopping in Athy at 08:19 Mon - Sat???

Kilkea · 26-07-2010, 07:21

Not sure if it was a one off, but this morning's 06.10 from Waterford was a 6 car set, so maybe they have finally sorted his problem out!

31-05-2010, 14:41	#2
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Said train currently runs empty back from Carlow to Portlaoise each evening, it was on our hit list of empty trains from 2 years ago. Also means the end of an empty movement to Carlow each morning. Pity they didn't skip Killkenny for the reverse of the fast morning train This means there will be a further 3 coaches in Waterford each morning and therefore an end to the hassle on a Monday morning Net cost actually a saving in fuel as it would appear to be fewer miles this way that current It runs as of today according to the Irish Rail timetable planner, once again Irish Rail fail to communicate timetable changes in good time __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know Last edited by Mark Gleeson : 31-05-2010 at 14:44.

06-06-2010, 01:55	#4
dowlingm Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,371	First of all, splitting the four hour gap was important and should have been done. Personally, I would have added a stop in Kildare to pick up transfers but better than a kick in the behind. Hopefully the 3h20 gap ex Waterford in the morning will be addressed too. One of the few things I think we can agree with Big Dick F about in his public utterances is that frequency is key. Time not spent waiting for a train is just as important as how fast it is, and is sometimes the cheaper option over a track upgrade. Pity they couldn't find a way to put on a late ex Waterford (in the 1930/2000 range) but hopefully increased patronage will lead to further expansion up to the limits of what is basically a single track line (albeit with Lavistown). Mark G - I'm trying to understand the implications for the morning service. 3 extra carriages in Waterford, but what good are they since they are being deadheaded from Waterford approx 0530 to Carlow for the 0625? Or do you mean where a problem is found overnight they will be swapped to a later service and the 0625 Carlow will be cancelled? Edit to note: the 1635 ex Heuston is essentially a Carlow-Waterford evening commuter service, given that it leaves 1743. I wonder if there will be take-up for that as such. Last edited by dowlingm : 06-06-2010 at 01:57.

06-06-2010, 11:41	#6
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	The morning Carlow train continues to dead head from Dublin The 17:25 service being extended to Waterford should mean 3 more coaches there in the morning so that all 3 morning trains from Waterford will be 6 coaches __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

31-05-2010, 15:08	#8
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	To be fair Waterford Dublin ranks as the third or fourth busiest route Its interesting how much effort they put in yet cannot move the 17:20 to Rosslare to 17:40 to enable a connection __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

14-06-2010, 11:21	#12
Jamie2k9 Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,146	.. All the morning trains from Waterford should be 6 car but there is still a spear 3 car set because the 15:10 form Dublin - Waterford is a 6 car and the 18:20 return service ex Waterford is a 3 car from Monday - Thursday but it is 6 car on Friday and Saturday's. This may of changed since the 17:35 has been extended to Waterford. Last edited by Jamie2k9 : 14-06-2010 at 11:26.

31-05-2010, 14:59	#7
neoncircles Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Limerick Posts: 87	Sadly looks like the only Waterford train that will be extended! cough rosslare cough limerick junction

11-06-2010, 15:37	#10
Jamie2k9 Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,146	The 7:10 from Waterford - Dublin Heuston will call at Athy on Monday Only. It will dep Athy at 08:19. It has not been added to the Journey Planner yet but if you go to Printed Timetables and click on Timetable Alterations it will say it. It also gives you the minior timetable alterations to facilite the new services

19-06-2010, 21:01	#13
Traincustomer Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: ar an traein Posts: 602	08:21 Athy - Dublin non-stop Notices posted at Athy Station state the time of 08:21 and seem to indicate the Athy stop will be M-S inclusive. New route timetable leaflets now available at Heuston but neither they nor the Journey Planner show the above.

21-06-2010, 02:33	#14
dowlingm Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,371	Can't go around promoting this stuff - what if people were to start using it???

22-06-2010, 14:30	#16
Jamie2k9 Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,146	06:10 - Waterfrod - Heuston It look like the 06:10 service will be a 3 car set every Monday as the first class option on IE journey planner is booked out every Monday on that service but you can book it every other day on the service.

30-06-2010, 14:52	#19
Jamie2k9 Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,146	07:10 - Waterford - Heuston Does anyone know if the 07:10 is stopping in Athy at 08:19 Mon - Sat???

26-07-2010, 07:21	#20
Kilkea Regular Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Athy Posts: 111	Not sure if it was a one off, but this morning's 06.10 from Waterford was a 6 car set, so maybe they have finally sorted his problem out!

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