Chamber getting impatient with Cullen
 

From http://www.rte.ie/business/2006/0123/dublin.html

NO NO NO. Dublin needs a CITY wide metro/tram system. Not 1 or 2 high capacity heavy rail lines. We live in a low density city/country!!

IE actually are planning to go double decker, they don't want to but they aren't rulling it out, if you look at the northern line even at 4 trains an hour its not even close to dealing with demand, 6 trains is unlikely to cope either, so you either go longer to 12 or go double decker or go both, well 4 tracking to Howth Junction ain't looking likely

The problem is the density is now appearing in out lying areas too far away to be serviced by tram or metro

You won't see private operators on the Dublin suburban on single lines it wouldn't make any sense, if the whole electrified section was up for grabs you then would have something still unlike the UK you will never be able to show up and start a service as you need trains and facilites

Out of the huge number of private operators in the UK only 2 to my knowledge are running under open access rules (Heathrow Express and Hull Trains)

NO NO NO. We need to focus development around rail (Maynooth line) and put new rail infrastructure into new larger areas. This is not likely in the medium term so do the best with what we have even if it is 2 heavy rail lines.

THE CHAMBER are getting impatient? How about the travelling public? Perhaps we've just become immune to the **** investment..

The line north of Howth Junction is going to be serving the fastest growing area in Ireland. The faster to Balbriggan and beyond the better! The same could be said of Kildare. Also remember the city centre is still poorly served by heavy rail, the interconnector fixes all these problems.

Double decker is just another card up IE's sleeve. They have larger sleeves than the RPA or so I've heard!

Privatise the WRC!!!

whats wrong with Double decker trains anyway ?

Apart from being a lot taller which means expensive works to lift bridges

The main problem is the dwell times which would be extended as boarding would be awkward

The view is go longer 12 coach trains are not uncommon in the UK and elsewhere.

Just to add to that, Double decker would only operate on the Northern and south western lines.

Could you say then Marko that going double decker and 4-tracking Howth Junction to Connolly are directly intertwined?

In theory could IE go double decker out of Heuston tomorrow? I presume after the KRP would be your answer?

Dwell times are generally quite long here. Would it be much different for double decker?

Yes, I agree with Paul. The issue here is the systematic planning failures in the Dublin region.

But unfortunatley, I STILL don't see us getting it right. On the Maynooth line, yes, housing is being built directly along side the line, but the majority is not within easy walking distance. Fingal CC need to wake up and start building VERY high density mixed use developments within 10mins WALKING distance of the stations. This is the VERY FIRST step in building a sustainable public transport infrastructure in the city.

As I keep repeating, Dublin is a SMALL, low density city. We need lots of low capacity lines, rather than 1 or 2 high capacity.

Dwell times are only long on IE's network, they are much better on the Luas. ;)

With the internal staircase it slows passengers boarding and alighting

I wouldn't call the DART network a high capacity system it can shift 11,000 in one direction per hour but what it can do is scale, the original rush hour demand was 2,500 it is now over 8,000, it can grow, over 40,000 is possible

To be fair to FCC, they have woken up and you won't see any more 3 bed semis in walking distance of the line. It's all 4/5+ storey apartment buildings being built along it now. The developments at Windmill/Woodbrook/Rathborne/Royal Canal Bank/Phoenix Park are all large scale blocks right along the line. The next large development will be the second phase of Woodbrook at Porterstown.

Yea, but this is where I see the problem. It is not high density. They need to be building 10/12+ storey around the stations.. not just sticking 3/4 storeys the length of the line.

It's what they do here in A'dam, and it works. We're just creating more problems for the future if we keep doing what they're doing.