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Unread 23-05-2008, 11:13   #61
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No mention of local services to Kildare.

Am going to the Bruce Springsteen concert and had intended getting the last train at 11pm.

Whats the likeleyhood of them been affected?
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Unread 23-05-2008, 11:16   #62
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Cork, Kerry, Galway, Westport & Athlone area service disruptions, Friday 23rd May, industrial action by Corporate Communications


UPDATE: 11.40hrs, Friday 23rd May

Iarnród Éireann advises customers that a refusal by drivers based in Cork to work their normal rosters is causing significant disruption to rail services in the Cork & Kerry areas.

The stoppage by drivers commenced following a refusal by a Cork-based driver to drive his train within his core roster on Thursday, to facilitate training of new trainee drivers.

In addition, services from Galway, Westport and Athlone are also affected today.

Full updated service information will be available on this webpage.

Iarnród Éireann apologises to customers for the inconvenience caused.

Friday 23rd May

Cancelled services today:

05.15 Cork-Heuston

06.30 Cork-Heuston

07.30 Cork-Heuston

08.30 Cork-Heuston

09.30 Cork-Heuston

10.00 Heuston-Cork

11.00 Heuston-Cork

12.00 Heuston-Cork

13.00 Heuston-Cork

18.00 Heuston-Cork

19.00 Heuston-Cork

20.00 Heuston-Cork

21.00 Heuston-Cork

13.30 Cork-Heuston

14.30 Cork-Heuston

15.30 Cork-Heuston

16.30 Cork-Heuston

17.30 Cork-Heuston

07.15 Tralee-Heuston

18.30 Heuston-Tralee

All Cork/Cobh and Cork/Mallow services

All Cork/Tralee services

05.20 Galway-Heuston

05.05 Athlone-Heuston

07.05 Athlone-Galway

07.15 Galway-Heuston

09.15 Galway - Heuston

09.10 Heuston-Galway

11.10 Heuston-Galway

07.00 Westport-Heuston

08.20 Heuston-Westport

12.40 Heuston-Westport

13.10 Westport-Heuston

15.05 Galway-Heuston

Further details will be updated as soon as possible.



Services operating on affected routes are:

07.00hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork)

08.00hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork)

09.00hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork)

10.30hrs Cork to Heuston (with bus transfers between Cork and Mallow)

11.30hrs Cork to Heuston (with bus transfers between Cork and Mallow)

12.30hrs Cork to Heuston (with bus transfers between Cork and Mallow)

14.00hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork)

15.00hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork)

16.00hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork)

1700hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork)

18.30hrs Cork to Heuston (with bus transfers between Cork and Mallow)

19.30hrs Cork to Heuston (with bus transfers between Cork and Mallow)

20.30hrs Cork to Heuston (with bus transfers between Cork and Mallow)

07.10 Heuston to Galway

10.50 Galway to Heuston

14.35 Heuston to Galway (with bus transfers between Athenry and Galway)

18.05 Galway to Heuston (with bus transfers between Galway and Athenry)



Further disruption

Further disruption is likely on Galway, Westport and Athlone services, and will be updated as soon as available.



All other routes are operating normally.
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Unread 23-05-2008, 11:38   #63
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I'm told Today FM lunchtime news at 12:45 could be interesting
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Unread 23-05-2008, 11:53   #64
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I presume Limerick trains via Limerick Jct are affected as well. Or are the bus transfers from Dublin\Mallow stopping at the Jct to drop passengers off to get train to\from Limerick?
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Unread 23-05-2008, 12:00   #65
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All services Dublin Limerick direct are running

Where a train runs Mallow Dublin or Dublin Mallow the usual connection at Limerick junction is still there

14:00, 15:00, 16:00 and 17:00 Dublin Cork are running only to Mallow, connections at Limerick Junction still in place

17:30, 18:30, 19:30 and 20:30 Cork Dublin run and make the usual connections, but require a bus from Cork to Mallow and may be 10-15 minutes late as a result

Anyone on a cancelled Dublin Cork train looking for Limerick will be stuck on the next Limerick direct service. 13:25, 15:25, 17:05 and 17:25, I wouldn't be surprised if Cork passengers where brought to Thurles by rail first and bus on

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Unread 23-05-2008, 12:06   #66
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did anything come out of the today fm programme i missed it.
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Unread 23-05-2008, 12:19   #67
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Nothing really

Drivers are willing and standing by to return to work if their colleague is reinstated if no pre conditions are applied to that.
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Unread 23-05-2008, 12:20   #68
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did anything come out of the today fm programme i missed it.
Drivers said they'd go back to work their rostered duties and enter talks with the company with no pre-conditions.

Ball in Irish Rail management's court now I believe.

I hope this resolves the issue.
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Unread 23-05-2008, 14:40   #69
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Cork, Kerry, Galway, Westport & Athlone area service disruptions, Friday 23rd May, industrial action by Corporate Communications


UPDATE: 15.15hrs, Friday 23rd May

Iarnród Éireann advises customers that a refusal by drivers based in Cork to work their normal rosters is causing significant disruption to rail services in the Cork & Kerry areas.

The stoppage by drivers commenced following a refusal by a Cork-based driver to drive his train within his core roster on Thursday, to facilitate training of new trainee drivers.

In addition, services from Galway, Westport and Athlone are also affected today.

Full updated service information will be available on this webpage.

Iarnród Éireann apologises to customers for the inconvenience caused.

Friday 23rd May

Cancelled services today:

05.15 Cork-Heuston

06.30 Cork-Heuston

07.30 Cork-Heuston

08.30 Cork-Heuston

09.30 Cork-Heuston

10.00 Heuston-Cork

11.00 Heuston-Cork

12.00 Heuston-Cork

13.00 Heuston-Cork

18.00 Heuston-Cork

19.00 Heuston-Cork

20.00 Heuston-Cork

21.00 Heuston-Cork

13.30 Cork-Heuston

14.30 Cork-Heuston

15.30 Cork-Heuston

16.30 Cork-Heuston

17.30 Cork-Heuston

07.15 Tralee-Heuston

18.30 Heuston-Tralee

All Cork/Cobh and Cork/Mallow services

All Cork/Tralee services

05.20 Galway-Heuston

05.05 Athlone-Heuston

07.05 Athlone-Galway

07.15 Galway-Heuston

09.15 Galway - Heuston

09.10 Heuston-Galway

11.10 Heuston-Galway

16.50 Heuston-Galway

17.50 Heuston-Galway

19.15 Heuston-Galway

07.00 Westport-Heuston

08.20 Heuston-Westport

12.40 Heuston-Westport

13.10 Westport-Heuston

16.15 Heuston-Ballina

17.10 Heuston to Athlone

17.45 Heuston-Westport

18.05 Westport-Heuston

13.10 Galway-Heuston

15.05 Galway-Heuston



Services operating on affected routes are:

07.00hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork, and between Mallow and Tralee)

08.00hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork)

09.00hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork, and between Mallow and Tralee)

10.30hrs Cork to Heuston (with bus transfers between Cork and Mallow)

11.30hrs Cork to Heuston (with bus transfers between Cork and Mallow)

12.30hrs Cork to Heuston (with bus transfers between Cork and Mallow, and between Tralee and Mallow)

14.00hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork)

15.00hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork, and between Mallow and Tralee)

16.00hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork)

17.00hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork, and between Mallow and Tralee)

18.30hrs Cork to Heuston (with bus transfers between Cork and Mallow, and between Tralee and Mallow)

19.30hrs Cork to Heuston (with bus transfers between Cork and Mallow)

20.30hrs Cork to Heuston (with bus transfers between Cork and Mallow, and between Tralee and Mallow)

07.10 Heuston to Galway

10.50 Galway to Heuston

14.35 Heuston to Galway

18.05 Galway to Heuston

All other routes are operating normally
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Unread 23-05-2008, 16:21   #70
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I'm on the 11.10 to Galway tomorrow morning along with 15 others !
Any chance of it running do ye think ?
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Unread 23-05-2008, 18:59   #71
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I demand proof of your ridiculous claim of no trains running at all tomorrow. As far as I can see RUI are making this up to make Irish Rail look bad (worse)
What was that again?
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Unread 23-05-2008, 20:37   #72
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Anyone with a reservation is entitled to a full refund if any part of the journey requires a bus

There are no trains south of Thurles, 18:35 last train beyond Portarlington
Didnt have a reservation but do have a refund form so we'll see what happens. Arrived in cork at 10pm so should be entitled to 50%? no announcements about refunds ever made mind. In fairness things at Thurles were handled very well with buses waiting outside for Cork and Mallow, and an extra train from Limerick to take Limerick and Kerry passengers.

Coming back today on the 1230 was a bus to Mallow and then a 22000 only calling at Portlaoise so only 10 minutes late into Heuston.
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Unread 23-05-2008, 22:12   #73
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If I may....

I think Mark Gleeson was careless to suggest widespread cancellations. I am still privy to "insider" information and as early as yesterday morning, Inchicore and Connolly drivers were refusing to support the dispute. (APPARENTLY) When I was part of the set up, rule number one for me was, never say or suggest in public what you have been told in private by one side of the dispute, until it can be verified by subsequent actions. Its great to be the first with news, but it has to be delivered in a manner that is beneficial and credible. This announcement did look like scaremoungering. (in my opinion)

In fairness this issue is vastly different and has bigger implications, than any previous claim by RUI to be beating IE to the announcement finishing line.

For what its worth now, Western based drivers may be back at work sooner than we think. This strike is unlikely to go nationwide and thats another story altogether.

For now, my suggestion would be to call on the Minister for Transport to launch an independent inquiry into the industrial relations practises within Irish Rail. The results should be made public and include in dept examination of management's performance in dealing with disputes. We have heard argument and counter argument. Tom Stamp described it well today on Radio 1, as "two bald men arguing over a comb". Full transparency is urgently required in the interest of rail customers and the company itself. Particularly in an era of supposed investment. That would be my line in the media.
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Unread 23-05-2008, 23:10   #74
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"Cork, Kerry, Galway, Westport & Athlone area service disruptions" is what IE say

"As of Friday May 23rd there is likely to be widespread cancellations

Services may run in the morning and then disappear, if you are looking to travel tomorrow, travel early or make alternative arrangements asap

All services Cork area and most Cork Dublin cancelled
All services Heuston likely to cancelled
All services Galway likely to cancelled

DART services are also at risk" is what we said. and there were Widespread Cancelations.
I do not think it would be a good idea to tell members that there would be no disruption to services on Friday if we were in possesion of reliable information on Thursday night that there *may* be considerable disruption to services outside the Cork area. Which there was, and people intending to travel may have been spared a wasted trip to their local station to avail of a cancelled service by being aware of the need to check before they travel.

Cork to Mayo *is* nationwide. ask Michael Ryan or Mary Kennedy.
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Unread 23-05-2008, 23:55   #75
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Last night was a point of decision for the various depots country wide, Cork Galway, Athlone and Westport showed up but walked out

We never said service would be cancelled except in Cork, we said cancellations where likely, Irish Rail provided no notification that services beyond Dublin Cork/Kerry where at risk, its hard to believe they didn't know

As things played out the Cork area saw one train Tralee - Mallow - Tralee, everything on the Galway route bar two trains was cancelled and everything on the Westport line was cancelled. Numerous trains ex Heuston where cancelled as a result

As we said services country wide where at risk, 4 out of 8 intercity routes where effected, staff in Dublin decided not to follow their colleagues elsewhere for which every passenger is most grateful. On Thursday evening there was a real possibilty of no trains running anywhere on Friday

As it stands the current situation is likely to continue. The labour court has contacted both sides. The drivers are available to drive if there are no preconditions to returning to work
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Unread 24-05-2008, 02:36   #76
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Massive disruption to Cork (feck all running past Mallow), mass cancellations on Mayo and Galway services, looks like Marko got it bang on the money - as usual. No surprises there.

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For now, my suggestion would be to call on the Minister for Transport to launch an independent inquiry into the industrial relations practises within Irish Rail. The results should be made public and include in dept examination of management's performance in dealing with disputes. We have heard argument and counter argument. Tom Stamp described it well today on Radio 1, as "two bald men arguing over a comb". Full transparency is urgently required in the interest of rail customers and the company itself. Particularly in an era of supposed investment. That would be my line in the media.
Sign me up for that. This crap just keeps happening too much for it to be isolated, not just the strikes and work-to-rules, but the lack of information provision, the customer service people that just don't care (like that w***er in Maynooth). Clearly a large scale review is now required.
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Unread 24-05-2008, 07:56   #77
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Galway, Athlone and Westport are back working

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Cork & Kerry area service disruptions, Saturday 24th May by Corporate Communications

UPDATE: 07.00hrs, Saturday 24th May

Iarnród Éireann is pleased to advise customers that all Galway and Westport line services will operate normally today, following yesterday's disruption.

However, a refusal by drivers based in Cork to work their normal rosters continues to cause significant disruption to rail services in the Cork & Kerry areas.

The stoppage by drivers commenced following a refusal by a Cork-based driver to drive his train within his core roster on Thursday, to facilitate training of new trainee drivers.

Full updated service information will be available on this webpage.

Iarnród Éireann apologises to customers for the inconvenience caused.

Service disruption, Saturday 24th May

The following services are cancelled.

05.15 Cork-Heuston

06.30 Cork-Heuston

07.30 Cork-Heuston

08.30 Cork-Heuston

09.30 Cork-Heuston

10.00 Heuston-Cork

11.00 Heuston-Cork

12.00 Heuston-Cork

13.00 Heuston-Cork

13.30 Cork-Heuston

14.30 Cork-Heuston

15.30 Cork-Heuston

16.30 Cork-Heuston

17.30 Cork-Heuston

18.00 Heuston-Cork

19.00 Heuston-Cork

20.00 Heuston-Cork

21.00 Heuston-Cork

07.15 Tralee-Heuston

18.30 Heuston-Tralee

All Cork/Cobh and Cork/Mallow services

All Cork/Tralee services



Services operating on affected routes are:

07.00hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork, and between Mallow and Tralee)

08.00hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork)

09.00hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork, and between Mallow and Tralee)

10.30hrs Cork to Heuston (with bus transfers between Cork and Mallow)

11.30hrs Cork to Heuston (with bus transfers between Cork and Mallow)

12.30hrs Cork to Heuston (with bus transfers between Cork and Mallow, and between Tralee and Mallow)

14.00hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork)

15.00hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork, and between Mallow and Tralee)

16.00hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork)

1700hrs Heuston to Cork (with bus transfers between Mallow and Cork, and between Mallow and Tralee)

18.30hrs Cork to Heuston (with bus transfers between Cork and Mallow, and between Tralee and Mallow)

19.30hrs Cork to Heuston (with bus transfers between Cork and Mallow)

20.30hrs Cork to Heuston (with bus transfers between Cork and Mallow, and between Tralee and Mallow)

All other routes, including Galway and Westport are operating normally.
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Unread 24-05-2008, 08:43   #78
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Galway, Athlone and Westport are back working
Some good news for passengers at least.

The Dept of Transport need to step out of their policy vacuum in Merrion Row and actually start formulation proper service level agreements with Irish Rail.
If a service does not, subvention for that is not paid, simple as.

They should start asking questions about the constant bolshie activity in Cork.
They have to go beyond the usual "internal matter for Irish Rail etc" that they've conveniently used over the years.

Irish Rail management need to be completely removed from the negotiations as we have had two years of going round in circles. If the labour court make recommendations, then both sides need to stick to it.

As for the announcments on Thursday, i've woken up enough times in the past to find that no trains were running.
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Unread 24-05-2008, 14:08   #79
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For what its worth now, Western based drivers may be back at work sooner than we think.
As I said last night.
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At this point few if any trains country wide are likely to operate tomorrow
Please spare me the damage limitation Colm. I've been there before and its a tough job. The above quote said it all and is the one I'm referring too. It was unnecessary and wrong. Perhaps a case of over eagerness instead of a cool head.

As I suggested last night, western drivers went back to work, while Dublin drivers stayed in work. Cork is where the real problem lies.There's lots of "insider" info available, but its best amalgamated to form an accurate assessment. But lets move on and be more positive.

I'll offer this up to readers. Dublin drivers are getting better treatment from IE management on the basis that they have the potential to cause real problems to hundreds of thousands. Western drivers supported Cork on the basis of a nationwide walk out that never happened, so they went back to work. Cork now stands alone. They have been divided and conquered by IE management. An end is in sight, but by numbers rather than real settlement. I have reason to believe that Cork is picked on by IE management, but nationwide there is still poor relations. Thats why I proposed a full inquiry into IE industrial relations proceedures. Morale is low in the Company. Its a time bomb. While I appreciate its historic arrangements and practises over the course of 60 years, management cannot expect to convert the company to "private sector" practises through provocation. What we have here is a classic example of old work ethics and public sector management trying to achieve a private sector result. It doesn't work that way. The Celtic Tiger has endowed a modern corporate way of working on IE management, but they have completely forgotten that it can't be applied by a hammer to a "traditional" industry with a long history.
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