2013 Draft Connolly Timetable

Jamie2k9 · 19-09-2012, 11:55

http://www.irishrail.ie/cat_news.jsp?i=4685&p=116&n=237

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Public Consultation for 2013 Connolly & DART Timetable
19 September 2012

Iarnród Éireann welcomes constructive views and feedback from customers as it helps us to improve our services. A draft copy of our new proposed timetable for services operating through Connolly Station and Dublin City Centre is shown below and we would like to hear your thoughts – whether the proposed schedule is something you welcome or would not support, or whether there are changes not included you would like to see.

Draft 2013 Connolly & DART Timetable (1MB)
http://www.irishrail.ie/media/Draft2...Timetable1.pdf

Main Changes proposed for Connolly Route
•DART, Maynooth, Drogheda/Dundalk, Rosslare and Belfast services will remain unchanged, apart from minor departure and arrival time changes.
•One off-peak service in each direction between Dublin and Balbriggan will be cancelled.
•Off-peak M3 Parkway services will operate to/from Clonsilla, changing to/from Maynooth/Dublin trains at Clonsilla, for more efficient, cost effective operation.
•Sligo/Dublin services will be reduced from 8 to 7 each way daily, through the amalgamation of two off-peak services experiencing low demand.
•One evening Dublin to Longford service will terminate at Maynooth, with customers accommodated on an existing service which departs 13 minutes earlier, and one late evening Longford to Dublin train is cancelled.
While these are the more significant changes, Iarnród Éireann advises all customers on all routes to view the draft schedules, as many services will see departure time changes, or changes to stopping patterns of individual changes which may affect their journeys.

Feedback
We welcome your feedback in relation to the following routes;

•Dublin/Belfast (InterCity)
•Dublin/Dunboyne/Maynooth/Longford (Commuter)
•Dublin/Drogheda/Dundalk (Commuter)
•Dublin/Gorey/Rosslare Europort
•Dublin/Sligo (InterCity)
•DART
Please provide your feedback, clearly outlining which route you wish to comment on.

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Please note the following;
•Iarnród Éireann will endeavour to implement customers' suggestions where possible. Suggested alterations which cannot be implemented at this timetable change will be retained in a database for consideration at future timetable reviews.
•It is then intended to implement the new schedule, incorporating customer feedback, early in the new year. This will be announced at a later date.
•Services operating to & from Heuston Station and Southern & Western regional services will be available for comment and review in the coming weeks. Notification of these schedules will be advised on www.irishrail.ie
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Charlie Hungerford · 19-09-2012, 12:38

One interesting observation/error...

How is the Dublin-Rosslare service supposed to make it from Wexford to Rosslare Strand in 1 minute??

Colm Moore · 19-09-2012, 17:20

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Originally Posted by Charlie Hungerford

One interesting observation/error...

How is the Dublin-Rosslare service supposed to make it from Wexford to Rosslare Strand in 1 minute??

To be fixed.

ACustomer · 19-09-2012, 17:42

Having to change trains at Clonsilla will not help with customer levels on the M3 Parkway off peak services. But this is made far worse by the typical IE slack operating performance: between the M3 train arriving at Clonsilla bay platform and the connecting departure of the Maynooth train there is typically a 7 to 9 minute interval.

This is very sloppy given that the Journey time from M3 Parkway to CLonsilla is only 12 minutes, leaving very little excuse for late running. How will such a large increase in overall running times (plus the inconvenience of a train change) affect demand? Was this question even considered by IE?

karlr42 · 19-09-2012, 12:45

Looks fairly good to me, sensible changes made.

All the services I take currently remain unchanged expect for minor changes. The 9.40 and 11.40 Maynooth-Pearse services, in my experience, almost always have a delayed depature from Maynooth to allow an inbound Sligo train ahead and are consequently usually 5-10 minutes late at intermediate stations, so pushing them 5 minutes later is a good idea - in that it will be good for delay statistics.

The changes to the M3 off peak schedule means that customers from Clonsilla inwards are reverting back to an hourly service outside of the peaks, which is very crap and ridiculous for a commuter railway. The extra services to Connolly were handy and fairly well used from the D15 stations. Oh well.

The latest train out of the city centre is still early, but it now has a connection to M3 Parkway, which is great. Last train on a Sunday is still very early, but again has a connection. IE definitely seem to be trying to make the most out of the underused branch in this timetable, which is great. The loss of same platform interchange in favour of crossing over a footbridge to the bay platform will probably be grumbled about by some though.

I don't use the Sligo service, but am I reading right that the 1700 and 1900 from Sligo are amalgamated into a 1800? Seems like a noticeable drop in service to me, but I'll defer to people with more experience.

Jamie2k9 · 19-09-2012, 12:50

The 07.05 and 09.05 to Sligo are now changed to 08.05 and the 17.00 and 19.00 return changed to 18.00. They seem to be sensible changes to me as its just getting rid of services that are running almost empty. I agree there needs to be a later Maynooth service on Sunday even if it was at 22.00 its would be better than nothing.

KSW · 19-09-2012, 13:34

No changes made to the Rosslare line what so ever. Another year of the same timetable. I know its a draft timetable but will ultimately be it.

•Dublin/Belfast (InterCity)
•Dublin/Dunboyne/Maynooth/Longford (Commuter)
•Dublin/Drogheda/Dundalk (Commuter)
•Dublin/Gorey/Rosslare Europort
•Dublin/Sligo (InterCity)
•DART
I did notice Dublin/Gorey/Rosslare Europort isn't labelled (InterCity) like the other routes !!!

Not happy with it

JayneM · 19-09-2012, 14:27

Has anyone spotted which Dublin to Balbriggan services will be cancelled? I use the line but was unable to find any changes in the draft timetable.

karlr42 · 19-09-2012, 14:37

Looks like the 9:05 Bray to Balbriggan now terminates at Connolly at 9:43, and the 10:50 Balbriggan to Connolly that train currently forms is now cancelled.

DangerM · 20-09-2012, 11:29

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Originally Posted by KSW

No changes made to the Rosslare line what so ever. Another year of the same timetable. I know its a draft timetable but will ultimately be it.

•Dublin/Belfast (InterCity)
•Dublin/Dunboyne/Maynooth/Longford (Commuter)
•Dublin/Drogheda/Dundalk (Commuter)
•Dublin/Gorey/Rosslare Europort
•Dublin/Sligo (InterCity)
•DART
I did notice Dublin/Gorey/Rosslare Europort isn't labelled (InterCity) like the other routes !!!

Not happy with it

+ 1 - same old rubbish for the Rosslare line, currently investigating options with Wexford bus from 2013

Commuter101 · 20-09-2012, 16:15

Is there ANY chance of IR putting the 17.58 Pearse Dundalk Commuter before the 17.55 DART to Malahide.

The 17.58 stops at Howth Jn, Clongriffin, Portmarnock AND Malahide and makes an already long journey even longer .....

By swapping these and letting the 17.58 go first would mean no (or less anyway!) delays

19-09-2012, 12:45	#5
karlr42 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Clonsilla Posts: 340	Looks fairly good to me, sensible changes made. All the services I take currently remain unchanged expect for minor changes. The 9.40 and 11.40 Maynooth-Pearse services, in my experience, almost always have a delayed depature from Maynooth to allow an inbound Sligo train ahead and are consequently usually 5-10 minutes late at intermediate stations, so pushing them 5 minutes later is a good idea - in that it will be good for delay statistics. The changes to the M3 off peak schedule means that customers from Clonsilla inwards are reverting back to an hourly service outside of the peaks, which is very crap and ridiculous for a commuter railway. The extra services to Connolly were handy and fairly well used from the D15 stations. Oh well. The latest train out of the city centre is still early, but it now has a connection to M3 Parkway, which is great. Last train on a Sunday is still very early, but again has a connection. IE definitely seem to be trying to make the most out of the underused branch in this timetable, which is great. The loss of same platform interchange in favour of crossing over a footbridge to the bay platform will probably be grumbled about by some though. I don't use the Sligo service, but am I reading right that the 1700 and 1900 from Sligo are amalgamated into a 1800? Seems like a noticeable drop in service to me, but I'll defer to people with more experience. Last edited by karlr42 : 19-09-2012 at 12:51.

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19-09-2012, 12:38	#2
Charlie Hungerford Regular Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 37	One interesting observation/error... How is the Dublin-Rosslare service supposed to make it from Wexford to Rosslare Strand in 1 minute??

19-09-2012, 17:42	#4
ACustomer Really Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 767	Having to change trains at Clonsilla will not help with customer levels on the M3 Parkway off peak services. But this is made far worse by the typical IE slack operating performance: between the M3 train arriving at Clonsilla bay platform and the connecting departure of the Maynooth train there is typically a 7 to 9 minute interval. This is very sloppy given that the Journey time from M3 Parkway to CLonsilla is only 12 minutes, leaving very little excuse for late running. How will such a large increase in overall running times (plus the inconvenience of a train change) affect demand? Was this question even considered by IE?

19-09-2012, 12:50	#6
Jamie2k9 Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,146	The 07.05 and 09.05 to Sligo are now changed to 08.05 and the 17.00 and 19.00 return changed to 18.00. They seem to be sensible changes to me as its just getting rid of services that are running almost empty. I agree there needs to be a later Maynooth service on Sunday even if it was at 22.00 its would be better than nothing.

19-09-2012, 13:34	#7
KSW Really Regular Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rosslare Line Posts: 600	No changes made to the Rosslare line what so ever. Another year of the same timetable. I know its a draft timetable but will ultimately be it. •Dublin/Belfast (InterCity) •Dublin/Dunboyne/Maynooth/Longford (Commuter) •Dublin/Drogheda/Dundalk (Commuter) •Dublin/Gorey/Rosslare Europort •Dublin/Sligo (InterCity) •DART I did notice Dublin/Gorey/Rosslare Europort isn't labelled (InterCity) like the other routes !!! Not happy with it

19-09-2012, 14:27	#8
JayneM New to the board Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 7	Has anyone spotted which Dublin to Balbriggan services will be cancelled? I use the line but was unable to find any changes in the draft timetable.

19-09-2012, 14:37	#9
karlr42 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Clonsilla Posts: 340	Looks like the 9:05 Bray to Balbriggan now terminates at Connolly at 9:43, and the 10:50 Balbriggan to Connolly that train currently forms is now cancelled.

20-09-2012, 16:15	#11
Commuter101 New to the board Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 22	Is there ANY chance of IR putting the 17.58 Pearse Dundalk Commuter before the 17.55 DART to Malahide. The 17.58 stops at Howth Jn, Clongriffin, Portmarnock AND Malahide and makes an already long journey even longer ..... By swapping these and letting the 17.58 go first would mean no (or less anyway!) delays