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Luas Motorist Safety pics http://garda.ie/Documents/User/Luas%20Pics.pdf
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![]() This problem of breaking Red Lights is not just confined to the Luas as a pedestrian in Dublin, I see it all the time, drivers reqularly break pedestrian lights, especially the one's at Heuston/ Victoria Quay.
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![]() The issue is the complete lack of enforcement of traffic rules in the city. I've seen trams caught trying to cross Amiens street for two or three cycles of the lights due to idiots in the yellow box and the place is 50 feet from the main north city Garda station.
Nobody stops for orange lights and indeed you will will regularly see two or three people go through on red even if their exit from the junction isn't clear, yet I have never seen a guard pull somebody over for running a light. The rules are clear - you are actually supposed to stop on orange if it is safe to do so. The Luas is particularly vulnerable because of its inability to manoeuvre. Some of the collisions in that video are simply absurd - in most of them the driver should lose their licence. What might help would be a move to the UK system of having lights go orange and red before going green so that people are more prepared to move off. But there would be carnage for a month or so until people got used to it. |
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![]() James Howard: I fully agree with you except for one thing. Giving a UK or German style orange+red just before the green would presumably mean people get moving about 1.5 seconds sooner. But then they are more likely to collide with the amber gamblers and red runners. As things stand Irish drivers appear to have found their own special equilibrium: the red light runners complement the dawdlers who take forever to react when red turns to green.
The average Irish driver in my experience is very slow off the mark - even though (s)he may have stopped beyond the white line. |
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![]() Some of the junctions don't help. Given how narrow Jervis Street is and the blind approach, it could probably do with level crossing gates. In a normal country, this would not be necessary, but people obviously can't be trusted.
Ultimately, a blitz of enforcement would be a major help with the Garda overtime funded out of receipts. No cautions, no excuses, no taking back of points. People simply don't think. I got a bollocking from a guard a few years back for using my phone while driving in a car-park and rightly so. Since then my phone has stayed in my pocket. Last edited by James Howard : 05-06-2014 at 16:13. |
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![]() The *LUAS operators should make an official report to the Gardai on traffic violations every time it is witnessed.
The tram camera's footage when used for evidence should be accepted by the courts as legal proof of road traffic offences for Garda prosecutions... At the moment I'm not sure of its acceptable? As previous posters state...it is down to enforcement ( sadly woeful) along with education and engineering. |
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If a fine of €500 was issued for first offence, €1000 for second and a driving ban for 6 months for any more people wouldn't be long getting the message! |
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![]() The courts are willing to accept video evidence, but they need a sworn affidavit to say that what is in the video is what happened. So the event might need to be witnessed by someone.
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![]() I think we can mostly agree that the main way to resolve this is much better enforcement which would be supported by education through a public safety campaign. The issue is with a tiny minority who believe that they are too important for the rules. If even 0.1% of drivers run a light, each tram would have an accident every day. This attitude is not helped by the ability to get points erased although hopefully this has gone away. Perhaps a jeopardy should apply where running a light an endangering a public transport vehicle would carry double points.
However, there are a few specific engineering measures that would help enormously. The Jervis St. crossing where there was a fatality recently needs something done as it is completely blind for the tram driver. Capel street isn't much better. My comment about level crossing gates was tongue-in-cheek but a severe speed hump would probably help a lot. The only real reason to drive up Jervis street is to access the car-park so another possibility would be to put a barrier across the road to force you to enter the car-park which would reduce the traffic. Neither of these measures would cost much. |
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![]() How about installing those pop up bollards at notorious / troublesome blackspots , for example at Abbey St / Jervis St junction - might catch out a few running the red lights...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU7VN...e_gdata_player Last edited by Jack O'Neill : 10-06-2014 at 21:44. |
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![]() I've deleted a post for its abusive content. Please maintain some level of decorum.
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![]() How about a red light traffic camera at these blackspots along with the determination to enforce road safety.
There used to be a saying "nothing will be done until somebody gets killed". Well, someone has been killed and the response by all agencies involved so far has been woeful! |
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![]() "According to a witness the car was driven onto the tracks, and proceeded some distance down the route along the ‘embedded section’ where the rail is flush with the road surface.
The car then became stuck when it hit the ‘heavy rail’ section of the tracks. A tow-truck was dispatched to the scene, and the vehicle removed." http://www.thejournal.ie/luas-car-sa...24510-Jun2014/ |
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