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Unread 26-10-2012, 23:01   #21
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It would appear Waterford line may of being cleared for increased speeds for the new timetable between Cherryville-Laivstown North. The 25, 30, 55 approaches to Cherryville have being replaced and covered by black bags as are some of the 80mph outside stations and ones that are on show have new signs near them. At the minute Kilkenny-Thomastown has had no changes but would expect that is because a temp restriction in place.

Guessing its gone from 80-90 can't see a 100 happening as well as a faster turn out from Cherryville which according to boards was designed to allow this but it didn't happen.

Normally speed signs are covered with black bags if there is a speed restriction in place.

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Unread 01-11-2012, 14:35   #22
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For the upcoming timetable:
Galway line cleared for speeds of 90mph
Waterford line cleared for speeds of 100mph
Then there is the Cork, Limerick, Tralee benefits from 100mph for most of the way to Mallow.
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Unread 01-11-2012, 14:57   #23
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Fairly massive improvements on Heuston side, the investment in 4 barrier level crossings with CCTV and elimination of farm crossings makes a massive difference as on Waterford line effectively zero spend on the track itself.

Dublin Cork is more or less 100mph Inchicore to Mallow with 80mph Curragh/Portarlington/Limerick Junc/Charleville
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Unread 01-11-2012, 15:11   #24
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Dublin Cork is more or less 100mph Inchicore to Mallow with 80mph Curragh/Portarlington/Limerick Junc/Charleville
Once the 4 tracks end they have a sign saying 90 as well as around Kildare/Cherryville but had thaugh it was a 100. They need to fix the bridge before Inchicore where its 25 restriction, looks like the bridge is not alined with tracks.

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the investment in 4 barrier level crossings with CCTV and elimination of farm crossings makes a massive difference as on Waterford line effectively zero spend on the track itself.
I am almost certain that they have got rid of no farm crossings yet and the 4 barrier corssing at the junction in Kikenny is now 2 they took the 2 middle ones away a while ago. They have one more automatic corssing ready to put into services south of Kilkenny and then there will be only 3 manual ones left would be great if they got them next year as they do delay trains as one person operates 2 of them which is the main problem.

Can you think of any reason why Galway only gets 90 would of expected Waterford to be 90 and Galway 100.
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Unread 01-11-2012, 15:19   #25
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The speeds have not changed yet

Waterford line is better engineered that Galway, which suffers from running over some boggy land. It also depends on the signal positioning at stations/level crossings

The mass closure of farm crossings allows higher speeds as in some locations speed limits were required for sighting distances. Half barrier gates require speed limits etc.
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Unread 01-11-2012, 16:52   #26
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The speeds have not changed yet.
Speeds on the Cork line were due to change on the 16th of October - has the change been postponed ? Most signifigant proposed changes are around and approaching Limerick Junction where it is suddenly possible to run at 60 mph again. A few additional miles at 100 mph here and there, but as far as I have heard nothing that significant.
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Unread 01-11-2012, 16:59   #27
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One minor speed change is that the speed limit of 10mph inbound at Heuston has been raised to massive 15mph approaching Platforms 6,7,8.
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Speeds on the Cork line were due to change on the 16th of October - has the change been postponed ? Most signifigant proposed changes are around and approaching Limerick Junction where it is suddenly possible to run at 60 mph again. A few additional miles at 100 mph here and there, but as far as I have heard nothing that significant
Charleville station will have track layout changed and turnouts and crossovers renewed over the new few weeks to allow 100mph instead of the current 60 restriction. Being reviewed currently.

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Charleville station will have track layout changed and turnouts and crossovers renewed over the new few weeks to allow 100mph instead of the current 60 restriction. Being reviewed currently.
Would have thought there was great scope for rationalisation of the layout at Charleville given that most of it is no longer relevant to current operational requirements.
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Unread 01-11-2012, 19:36   #30
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True. With the junction long gone and the Cork commuter service not reaching north of Mallow, there's no need for a third platform.
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Unread 01-11-2012, 20:06   #31
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There is actually rule book about this and the loop in Charleville is actually required so I'd be fairly sure they will keep it. The siding on the up side is probably a gonner and will be cut back heavily

I'd say the loop is staying very handy for hiding maintenance trains and indeed for parking a failed passenger train. There are plans for freight services out of Cork so you need that loop
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There is actually rule book about this and the loop in Charleville is actually required so I'd be fairly sure they will keep it.
Rule book ?

You are right, they will probably keep the loop at Charleville and spend a lot of money to do so. The main residual requirement at Charleville is probably the facility to introduce single line working during engineering works or in the event of one or other line being unavailable for traffic. A loop adds flexibility but could hardly be described as a requirement given the present fairly sparse pattern of train movements. As for freight services there should be no difficulty fitting into to the hourly pattern of passenger services between Limerick Junction and Mallow - a freight train immediately following a passenger train from Limerick Junction would be in Mallow before the next passenger train left Limerick Junction. Same applies in the other direction.

I can think of other places more in need facilities for overtaking than Charleville - Malahide (northbound), Dunlaoghaire and Dalkey (north and southbound) immediately spring to mind !
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It's 37.5 miles from LImerick Junction to Mallow: if there were no loop or run-around facility over such a distance, then that might be OK on a day when everything goes to plan and there are no PW trains on a setion which has 75 track miles. But you need to cope with out-of-the-ordinary days and avoid having a single breakdown turn into a major event.
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Unread 02-11-2012, 13:15   #34
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You are right, 37.5 miles is too long not to have some sort of facility. Not sure that much more than a crossover at either end of Charleville station station is required to meet most likely eventualities. I travel regularly through Charleville and am really hard pressed to think when I last saw something in the loop there - suspect it was a steam train five or more years ago. The loop facility is not regularly used and its absense would make almost no difference to the current pattern of operations.

Despite my comments above, I suspect that the loop connections will be renewed - probably not that costly given that the controls are already in the signalling system.
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On the matter of line speeds, there are at least 3 TSR between Kildare and Hazelhatch on the up line:

1 at Kildare station itself
1 at the Curragh
1 just east of Newbridge
at are 25mph

I assume they are all associated with track works
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Is there even a whisper of an early departure ex Heuston to seek some of the business market in Cork (and Limerick via the Thurles commuter, plus Charleville commuter to divert traffic off the abysmal Buttevant-Mallow road)? I know it was said here previously that the current 0700/0950 rotation is the 02 train code leaving room for an earlier 01 service.
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In mid november a new timetable will be released ,

-there will be less stops on Cork trains main stops will thurles , mallow.
-there will be more limerick-thurles-dublin services to serve laois,tipp & kildare stations. if cork passengers want to go laois , kildare etc, thet will change at thurles,
-they want less trains to call at Junction

- plus there will be rejig of Nenagh line aswell
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Bye bye direct morning train...
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so you won't be able to commute directly from Nenagh to either Limerick or Dublin?

Job almost done.
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In mid november a new timetable will be released ,

-there will be less stops on Cork trains main stops will thurles , mallow.
-there will be more limerick-thurles-dublin services to serve laois,tipp & kildare stations. if cork passengers want to go laois , kildare etc, thet will change at thurles,
-they want less trains to call at Junction

- plus there will be rejig of Nenagh line aswell
Interesting info, thank you for posting it. Is there any information as to what changes the draft timetables are likely to propose for other lines such as the Kerry line, Limerick Jct-Clonmel-Waterford and Cork suburban. The anticipated accelerated journey times on the Cork-Dublin mainline will have a positive domino effect for all of these lines.
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