Ireland 2040 - Rail Elements.

[platypusparcel]

Sorry mate, won't happen again, worth mentioning the new stops in Cabra, Glasnevin and the Docklands

Additionally Metro North preferred route is here

http://www.metrolink.ie/#/map

You could almost do cut and fill along the ballymun road and swords bypass with that alignment

[comcor]

I presume they are planning to cut and cover in Swords. The route there certainly seems designed to keep costs down rather than be of use to commuters or businesses in the town.

[platypusparcel]

Originally Posted by comcor

I presume they are planning to cut and cover in Swords. The route there certainly seems designed to keep costs down rather than be of use to commuters or businesses in the town.

Just had a look at the engineering drawings

seems to be elevated!

[James Shields]

So it looks like the Charliemont Metro station is sub-surface, and the connection to the Green line is between Darthmouth Road and Northbrook Road. That gives about 80m to get from tunnel mouth to elevated level. Is that possible?

Also, I wonder how deep the tunnel needs to go under the canal, and how deep the Charlemont station needs to be. I would assume stations on a steep incline aren't permitted.

I see it's now going to be on the East side of Sephen's green. I guess another Green line connection isn't important, but it also could be problematic for an integrated Stephen's Green Station if DART Underground does ever get resurrected.

The one change from Metro North I'm in fovour of is the moving of the Maynooth Line interchange to Whitworth. This creates the possibility of connecting to both surface rail lines.

But I think connecting to the Green line is a mistake. It will create all kinds of operational problems in the long run, and keep the whole line from running at full capacity.

I also think building the underground stations with 60m platforms is rediculously short sighted. You can't just tack on an extra 20m to the platforms the way you can with surface platforms. They need to allow for future expansion from the start and build the platforms at least 100m long.

[platypusparcel]

Originally Posted by James Shields

So it looks like the Charliemont Metro station is sub-surface, and the connection to the Green line is between Darthmouth Road and Northbrook Road. That gives about 80m to get from tunnel mouth to elevated level. Is that possible?

Also, I wonder how deep the tunnel needs to go under the canal, and how deep the Charlemont station needs to be. I would assume stations on a steep incline aren't permitted.

Engineering drawings suggest its ok

Originally Posted by James Shields

I also think building the underground stations with 60m platforms is rediculously short sighted. You can't just tack on an extra 20m to the platforms the way you can with surface platforms. They need to allow for future expansion from the start and build the platforms at least 100m long.

Crossrail in London are 200m

[Ireland trains]

It seems like the NTA are all ready trying to forget about the dart expansion as all they mention are 3 new stations.
Irish rail need more trains and they just need to get on an order the trains. Once/if the lines are eletrified then that would free up lots of DMU trains

[James Shields]

It gets worse...

From Irish Times, "Dublin Metro may require homes to be demolished":

Luas Green line users will also face disruption during the construction works, and those using the line to travel from northside to southside suburban areas will no longer have a direct journey but will have to change from Luas to Metro at Charlemont.

So this means Charlemont to Sandyford will be Metro only, there will be two disconnected Green lines, and to travel from Cherrywood to Broobbridge would require two changes?

Does anyone here think any of this is a good idea?

[platypusparcel]

Originally Posted by James Shields

It gets worse...

From Irish Times, "Dublin Metro may require homes to be demolished":



So this means Charlemont to Sandyford will be Metro only, there will be two disconnected Green lines, and to travel from Cherrywood to Broobbridge would require two changes?

Does anyone here think any of this is a good idea?

Its not a bad idea in principle, the reality is that the luas has not got capacity for its catchment. This might?

Better in the short term to provide BRT orbitals to the rail lines and increase frequency on the dart service and maybe two north south BRT routes to.

This all hinges on a linked up Train service which brings us back to the underground link.

The two seperate green lines could be rationalised, by connecting to Shankill Dart from brides glen and to suir road from harcourt (south circular road)

[rigel kent]

There should be a Rail freight yard in Mallow. A right turn at Mallow junction to enable a proper high-speed commuter service for the southwest would be nice.

Build a station just above shaws bridge send a train line to the west.it crosses the M20 just above black stone bridge build a park and ride in the field there .


Advance the line to a station in Hollyhill industrial estate continue to Wilton united soccer field build a multiuse stadium there with a big car park use as a park and ride.

Cross the Lee and continue down to the RTC and build a station on the back of the football pitch .

Continue down to Cork greyhound stadium and cross the ring road there extend down to the airport future growth options.

Continue down to the north of Carrigaline park and ride there and finish the line underneath the cranes of the deepwater port.


For Dublin extend the Luas to Bray train station next 5 years .
Build a spur line from dart to the airport 5 years . Build Swords line and extend down to Glasnevin 10 years.

Extend the dart up the Luas line next 10 years. 15 years connect the two lines.

Build Kishoge freight yard when Mallow is being built fix the lines in Dublin port.

15 years electrify the cork line and cork commuter lines.

In 17 years build Claremorris and Faranfore wood yards.

In 20 years build the interconnector .

[Mark Gleeson]

Charlemont situation is going to be very messy

The line will have to be 3m below road level and then rise to 5m above, so 8m, 1 in 25 give you 200m needed and since platforms have to be level all this happens after the stop, so going to result in one or more permanent local road closures.

Some fairly ugly CPO here

Note the alignment avoids the former Irish Nationwide building which of course is being knocked and rebuilt, of course it would have been so much easier to do the station and the building together...

The tie in will require the demolition of the existing embankment so there won't be any Green line trams beyond Beechwood for a long time while this is done

I have very little trust in the drawings they are very much draft, didn't see anyone out there taking core samples to investigate the ground conditions