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Unread 26-04-2018, 13:27   #1
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Default Minister to host discussion on public transport policy

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0426/957392-transport/

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Minister for Transport Shane Ross is to host a round-table discussion on public transport policy next month, which will include the issue of a sustainable funding model.
I don't suppose RUI could get an invite to these discussions? Are the passengers considered a "stakeholder"?
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Unread 27-04-2018, 04:42   #2
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Nothing in the post yet.

I would expect the usual talking shop. It all about money and unless the minister is will to cough up no amount of talking will fix matters.
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https://lovindublin.com/dublin/dubli...metro-10-years

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"Itís not going to happen within ten years anyway at all, that decision has been made. The route will be protected but there is not going to be any intention of actually building this in that period of time," Ross told the Oireachtas.
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Possibly the first time he has acknowledged he's heard of the project!

I don't believe it will ever get built as long as FG and/or FF are in power.
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Possibly the first time he has acknowledged he's heard of the project!

I don't believe it will ever get built as long as FG and/or FF are in power.
Its not as urgent as we were lead to believe back in the boom. Once the 10 minute DART starts there is no immediate need to more than double capacity. They will squeeze in any extra commuter services at peak hours as required and DART freq will never drop below 10 minutes.

Given it was a choice between this and the Metro, there was never a question of which is more important.
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The proposed discussion has sustainable funding as a major item. This relates to how the recurrent operation of public transport is funded (and organised) and is in a sense separate from major capital developments such as Dart Underground.

Items which should be on the agenda:
1. Payment for "free" travel should come from the Dept of Social Protection and should be based on usage, not a lump-sum transfer, whihc I gather is the present lazy way of doing it.
2. Payment for upkeep of the basic infrastructure: track access charges road taxes etc. Do HGVs pay enough?
3. Should the CIE group companies compete with one another or should the NTA be given the role of developing services which are complementary rather than competitive? You can have competition for the award of services by the NTA, which is a different matter.

Finally, the 10-minute DART proposal has little to do with the case for DART underground, which is an extension of network capacity. Anyhow the idea of a suburban service where the intervals between trains is independent of demand levels is just nonsense (just look at LUAS to see how it should be done)
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Its not as urgent as we were lead to believe back in the boom. Once the 10 minute DART starts there is no immediate need to more than double capacity. They will squeeze in any extra commuter services at peak hours as required and DART freq will never drop below 10 minutes.

Given it was a choice between this and the Metro, there was never a question of which is more important.
Yep. So important that we can kick our heels for another bloody ten years for it. Imagine the pearl-clutching that would go on if it was announced that the M20 wasn't going to be ready until 2028.
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