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Unread 24-03-2017, 04:30   #1
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Due colocation of Bus Eireann with Irish Rail at

Waterford
Galway
Sligo
Tralee
Athlone

Expect disruption and cancellations

Early services from Sligo, Limerick, Waterford and Galway are already cancelled

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Unread 24-03-2017, 04:44   #2
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As no part of Irish Rail is on strike, nor are any of their agents or contractors a duty of care under EC1371 exists.

Force majeure cannot be used as an excuse, EU courts have ruled actions or third party events cannot be used to avoid responsibility.

You are entitled to alternative transport, refunds, compensation for delays, up to and including overnight accommodation if your journey is not possible to complete in a day.

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Unread 24-03-2017, 04:46   #3
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Cancellations so far

05.30 Galway to Heuston
05.45 Sligo to Connolly
05.50 Cork to Heuston
06.00 Waterford to Heuston
06.15 Cork to Heuston
07.00 Cork to Heuston
07.10 Waterford to Heuston
All Western Rail Corridor
Limerick - Limerick Junction - Waterford
Nenagh Branch
Cork commuter services

Return workings from Dublin likely to be cancelled as a result

At High Risk

Dublin Sligo services may terminate half way due swapping with a driver from Sligo

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Unread 24-03-2017, 05:03   #4
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What we know to be running

All services from Portlaoise
All Dublin area services
All cross border

05:40 Longford Dublin
06:15 Longford Dublin
05:20 Athlone Dublin

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Why is Cork affected? I did not think BE and IR shared the depot there?

What legal justification is there for refusing to cross a picket line when it is a separate company's staff who are in dispute?
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Iarnród Éireann has advised customers that there will be significant disruption to Intercity rail services today, Friday 24th March, arising from picketing associated with the Bus Éireann dispute. Iarnród Éireann is not a party to this dispute.

There will be limited services on the following routes:
•Dublin/Cork, Dublin/Limerick, Dublin/Galway, Dublin/Sligo, Dublin/Waterford, Dublin/Rosslare

Cork Route:
- Heuston to Cork - 07:00hrs, 08:00hrs, 09:00hrs, 14:00hrs, 15:00hrs, 16:00hrs, 17:00hrs services will operate to Mallow only.
- Cork to Heuston - 10:44hrs, 11:44hrs and 12:44hrs services will operate from Mallow only.
- 23:15hrs Heuston to Cork/Limerick (match special) cannot be guaranteed.

Waterford Route: Services operating between Heuston & Kilkenny only.

Sligo Route:
- Limited and curtailed service with no trains serving Sligo Station.
- 08:00hrs Connolly/Sligo will operate to Longford only.
- 11:05hrs Connolly/Sligo will operate but may terminate in Boyle.
- 17:05hrs & 18:05hrs Connolly/Longford will operate.

Galway Route:
- 07:40hrs Galway to Heuston will operate.
- 11:05hrs Heuston to Galway will operate.
- 13:25hrs Heuston to Galway will operate.
- 23:25hrs Heuston to Galway (match special) cannot be guaranteed.

Rosslare Route:
- 13:36hrs Connolly/Rosslare will operate to Wicklow only.
- 18:38hrs Connolly/Rosslare will operate to Wicklow only.

There will be no services on the following routes:
•Cork Commuter, Limerick to Limerick Jct., Waterford to Limerick Junction, Limerick to Galway, Limerick to Ballybrophy via Nenagh, Tralee to Mallow

The following services are cancelled:
•05.30 Galway to Heuston
•05.45 Sligo to Connolly
•05.50 Cork to Heuston
•06.00 Waterford to Heuston
•06.15 Cork to Heuston
•07.00 Cork to Heuston
•07:00 Sligo to Connolly
•07:05 Tralee to Heuston
•07.10 Waterford to Heuston
•07:20 Rosslare to Connolly
•09:00 Sligo to Connolly
•09:40 Connolly to Rosslare
•10:00 Heuston to Cork
•11:00 Heuston to Cork
•11:25 Heuston to Galway
•12:00 Heuston to Cork
•13:00 Heuston to Cork
•13:15 Heuston to Waterford
•13:20 Cork to Heuston
•14:20 Cork to Heuston
•15:20 Cork to Heuston
•16:20 Cork to Heuston
•17:30 Heuston to Galway
•17:35 Heuston to Waterford
•17:36 Connolly/Wexford
•18:00 Heuston to Cork
•18:35 Heuston to Waterford
•18:30 Heuston to Galway
•19:00 Heuston to Cork
•21:00 Heuston to Cork

We will update with other services affected on Intercity routes during the day.

DART, Commuter, Westport, Belfast routes are currently operating as normal.
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Iarnród Éireann has advised customers that there will be significant disruption to Intercity rail services today, Friday 24th March, arising from picketing associated with the Bus Éireann dispute. Iarnród Éireann is not a party to this dispute.

There will be limited services on the following routes:
•Dublin/Cork, Dublin/Limerick, Dublin/Galway, Dublin/Sligo, Dublin/Waterford, Dublin/Rosslare

Cork Route:
- Heuston to Cork - 07:00hrs, 08:00hrs, 09:00hrs, 14:00hrs, 15:00hrs, 16:00hrs, 17:00hrs services will operate to Mallow only.
- Cork to Heuston - 10:44hrs, 11:44hrs and 12:44hrs services will operate from Mallow only.
- 23:15hrs Heuston to Cork/Limerick (match special) cannot be guaranteed.

Waterford Route: Services operating between Heuston & Kilkenny only.

Sligo Route:
- Limited and curtailed service with no trains serving Sligo Station.
- 08:00hrs Connolly/Sligo will operate to Longford only.
- 11:05hrs Connolly/Sligo will operate but may terminate in Boyle.
- 17:05hrs & 18:05hrs Connolly/Longford will operate.

Galway Route:
- 07:40hrs Galway to Heuston will operate.
- 11:05hrs Heuston to Galway will operate.
- 13:25hrs Heuston to Galway will operate.
- 23:25hrs Heuston to Galway (match special) cannot be guaranteed.

Rosslare Route:
- 13:36hrs Connolly/Rosslare will operate to Wicklow only.
- 18:38hrs Connolly/Rosslare will operate to Wicklow only.

There will be no services on the following routes:
•Cork Commuter, Limerick to Limerick Jct., Waterford to Limerick Junction, Limerick to Galway, Limerick to Ballybrophy via Nenagh, Tralee to Mallow

The following services are cancelled:
•05.30 Galway to Heuston
•05.45 Sligo to Connolly
•05.50 Cork to Heuston
•06.00 Waterford to Heuston
•06.15 Cork to Heuston
•07.00 Cork to Heuston
•07:00 Sligo to Connolly
•07:05 Tralee to Heuston
•07.10 Waterford to Heuston
•07:20 Rosslare to Connolly
•09:00 Sligo to Connolly
•09:40 Connolly to Rosslare
•10:00 Heuston to Cork
•11:00 Heuston to Cork
•11:25 Heuston to Galway
•12:00 Heuston to Cork
•13:00 Heuston to Cork
•13:15 Heuston to Waterford
•13:20 Cork to Heuston
•14:20 Cork to Heuston
•15:20 Cork to Heuston
•16:20 Cork to Heuston
•17:30 Heuston to Galway
•17:35 Heuston to Waterford
•17:36 Connolly/Wexford
•18:00 Heuston to Cork
•18:35 Heuston to Waterford
•18:30 Heuston to Galway
•19:00 Heuston to Cork
•21:00 Heuston to Cork

We will update with other services affected on Intercity routes during the day.

DART, Commuter, Westport, Belfast routes are currently operating as normal.
That list has been updated since, the 17:05 connolly Sligo won't run. The 17:15 connolly longford will run.
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Some services will run to Cork (all commuter and Dublin services), Sligo and Galway from 11.00

Looks like unions forced Cork staff to return to work or IE dangled legal action as it was completely illegal.

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Unclear what was going on in Cork, but seems like we are back in business and this will get a huge amount of trains back moving

This evenings special for the soccer from Dublin to Cork is ON but Limerick connection is OFF
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Why is Cork affected? I did not think BE and IR shared the depot there?

What legal justification is there for refusing to cross a picket line when it is a separate company's staff who are in dispute?

none.

the unions flagged this two weeks ago when it last looked like there was going to be an all out strike in BE. therefore they have allowed this to happen. whatever small amount of public sympathy they may have hoped for in the next rail dispute has just been flushed down the pan.
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I guess that'll be the end of anything being done about anywhere else since in Irish Rail's eyes once Cork is all right, everything's fine.
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IE and BE share facilities or sites in Limerick, Galway and Sligo, so one might expect disruption in services to and from these. However in Cork, facilities are separate, so picketing must have been outrageously aggressive and provocative. The same should be true of Waterford: any sign of sanity there?

Even in Galway, Sligo and Limerick there should be no rail stoppage if there is no dispute with IE. "Not passing pickets" is Ireland's last taboo; it's not as if the rail workers were trying to do the bus workers' jobs. It's effectively a case of secondary picketing and should not be allowed.
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More less business as usual from Tralee since 12.00.

Galway as managed to get more less 2 hourly serice ex Dublin with special 17.45 to Athlone replacing the regular 17.30 to Galway and 15.30 Athlone to Heuston replacing the 14.40/15.05 ex Galway.

Just Limerick completely closed

Waterford completely closed (special 17.40 to Carlow and regular 20.15/21.35) and two Dublin restored services operating to Kilkenny.

Sligo more less closed but some service to Longford/Enfeld/Boyle.

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IE and BE share facilities or sites in Limerick, Galway and Sligo, so one might expect disruption in services to and from these. However in Cork, facilities are separate, so picketing must have been outrageously aggressive and provocative. The same should be true of Waterford: any sign of sanity there?
It was more less IE staff causing problems in Cork, Waterford is a tricky one as there are only office staff in station and not drivers based there.
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the unions flagged this two weeks ago when it last looked like there was going to be an all out strike in BE. therefore they have allowed this to happen. whatever small amount of public sympathy they may have hoped for in the next rail dispute has just been flushed down the pan.
Unions also said IE staff would not be impacted by the action today at shared depots but also stated they would support them if any disciplinary action was taken by IE for failing to work.
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Any information on refunds for Taxsaver tickets? Technically there is a commuter service from Longford, but I wouldn't chance taking it as there is a fair possibility of not being able to get home.
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"In a statement this morning, Iarnród Éireann has advised passengers that all services are operating on all routes today."

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IE to update at 05.00 about tomorrow however they say no disruption is expected but there are rumours it could be a repeat of Friday if not worse and from hearing one or two things its quiet possible, only time will tell.
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SIPTU are reportedly going to balliot IE/DB workers for action. Also looks like the protest planned for Wednesday could disrupt services.

http://www.thejournal.ie/bus-strike-...09546-Mar2017/
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What is the earliest a strike complying with legislation could begin? I know there has to be 7 days' strike notice but are there specified timescales for conducting a ballot?
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Chances are tomorrow or Wednesday before it takes place and lets say at least a day (very unlikely) before they have a result legally it likely going to be at least Thursday or Friday week before a strike could take place legally. It would be almost two weeks into a BE strike and realistically I cannot see BE going on that long.

As there is no disruption in the capital you can clearly see how bothered most people are, it's been 4 full days and there has been very very limited coverage across the media.
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