'Fast trains' a step closer on Dublin to Cork route - Page 4

why_does_planning_suck · 14-06-2006, 11:10

Vis a Vis red tape, it is just as burdensome for airlines and they get around it.

The simple act of a company having to tender to operate a route would mean introduce a lot of savings. I.E. could do the same job with a less than half the staff without any change in safety. They won't pension off these people until they have to.

Are you saying that the tracks are being used to their limit ? If so , then redo the timetable from scratch and increase the number of services.

please don't compare ireland with england again . it doesn't make sense to . The airtravel industry was miniscule till some competition was brought in so the numbers would have looked the same.

In any event the size of the market is irrelevent because of the subsidy. The governement decides which routes and services it will pay for , and someone else does it. Franchising routes in toto turned out to be worse than what we have.

Anybody ?

PaulM · 14-06-2006, 11:20

This conversation has little to do with the media report. Anymore I consider OT and it goes to the members section.

Thomas J Stamp · 14-06-2006, 11:27

But you mention subsidies. Why bother at all then? If you are tendering out timeslots, presumably it follows that they are the same timeslots, so again, why bother?

I perosnaly feel a lot of your agruments are valid and they could be put into practise, however, would you please familiarise yourself with the board. You asked about timeslots, the technical lads have pointed out (look at the Monesterevin thread) how bad the timeslots situation is. You asked before if we're all engineers, lots of us are, others arent, some work in transport, others have either a qualification in it (mines in transport managment before I turned to law, and I do a lot of planinng and development work as well) which you could easily find out if you read the boards. to give another example, what rolling stock will competitors use, ie are cutting all their surplus ones up, I posted that myself.

Most of us here adopt a realistic, hopefully objective critical anylisis of the current situation and make sugegstions for the future which ahev to be also relalitic. I belive partial privitisation will be benificial, route tendering the way to go and I belive that based on my knowledge of the physical realities of the situation and most of thast I got from personal experiance and reading the boards.

Edit: Paul, you posted as I was typing, please leave this post in public, ta.

14-06-2006, 11:27	#63
Thomas J Stamp Chairman/Publicity Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Home of Hurling Posts: 2,708	But you mention subsidies. Why bother at all then? If you are tendering out timeslots, presumably it follows that they are the same timeslots, so again, why bother? I perosnaly feel a lot of your agruments are valid and they could be put into practise, however, would you please familiarise yourself with the board. You asked about timeslots, the technical lads have pointed out (look at the Monesterevin thread) how bad the timeslots situation is. You asked before if we're all engineers, lots of us are, others arent, some work in transport, others have either a qualification in it (mines in transport managment before I turned to law, and I do a lot of planinng and development work as well) which you could easily find out if you read the boards. to give another example, what rolling stock will competitors use, ie are cutting all their surplus ones up, I posted that myself. Most of us here adopt a realistic, hopefully objective critical anylisis of the current situation and make sugegstions for the future which ahev to be also relalitic. I belive partial privitisation will be benificial, route tendering the way to go and I belive that based on my knowledge of the physical realities of the situation and most of thast I got from personal experiance and reading the boards. Edit: Paul, you posted as I was typing, please leave this post in public, ta. __________________ We are the passengers

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14-06-2006, 11:10	#61
why_does_planning_suck Regular Poster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 69	Vis a Vis red tape, it is just as burdensome for airlines and they get around it. The simple act of a company having to tender to operate a route would mean introduce a lot of savings. I.E. could do the same job with a less than half the staff without any change in safety. They won't pension off these people until they have to. Are you saying that the tracks are being used to their limit ? If so , then redo the timetable from scratch and increase the number of services. please don't compare ireland with england again . it doesn't make sense to . The airtravel industry was miniscule till some competition was brought in so the numbers would have looked the same. In any event the size of the market is irrelevent because of the subsidy. The governement decides which routes and services it will pay for , and someone else does it. Franchising routes in toto turned out to be worse than what we have. Anybody ?

14-06-2006, 11:20	#62
PaulM Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 826	This conversation has little to do with the media report. Anymore I consider OT and it goes to the members section.