Official 2008 timetables? - Page 3

CSL · 14-11-2007, 14:42

When do these changes go active ?

ThomasJ · 14-11-2007, 15:01

so the sligo service changes back from "railcar" to "intercity" on the 21st january 2008 and includes a 7.05 and 9.05 service. and the 6.00 gorey-sligo becomes the 6.00 gorey-connolly

also the 16.00 will be a daily service giving 16:00, 17:05, 19:05

KSW · 14-11-2007, 15:02

December 10th

ThomasJ · 14-11-2007, 15:23

looks like from the january timetable the sligo early bird is back and one of the morning longford-pearse services are gone?

also looks like the afternoon longford-bray is also gone in the january timetbable but new 16:04 maynooth-bray (all stops to connolly)

comcor · 14-11-2007, 15:37

These are the changes down in Cork.

Cork-Cobh: One extra train a day. Where there are now trains at 18:30, 20:00, 21:30, the new timetable has 18:30, 19:30, 20:30, 21:30

Cork-Mallow: One train less a day. There's an extra departure at 05:45, but the 07:15 and 22:30 are gone. The loss of the 22:30 means 21:55 is the last train.

Cobh-Mallow: The number of through trains with no connection drops from six to five a day

Cork-Tralee: The number of through trains with no connection drops from three to two a day. The total number of trains when connections are included remains at nine.

KSW · 14-11-2007, 15:48

The January timetable is that not the Dec10th that I've mentioned!

ThomasJ · 14-11-2007, 15:49

it is, the january timetable effective on the sligo line from the 21st

Mark Gleeson · 14-11-2007, 15:55

The 2008 timetable covers

December 9th 2007 till September 2nd 2008

With effect from January 20th 2008 the Sligo line timetable is changed considerably to account for full operation by 22k railcars with 5-12 minute reduction in journey times

September 2nd probably will have changes due to the resignaling on the Rosslare line and the 22k's going on there as well. Heuston side will have changes as more 22k's enter service, the depot in Portlaoise will be just about open, the speed limit in Portarlington will change from 25mph to 80mph, Nenagh commuter services

KSW · 14-11-2007, 17:17

Mark September is that for the 22k trains, Is it not Easter(April)

Mark Gleeson · 14-11-2007, 17:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeithStephen

Mark September is that for the 22k trains, Is it not Easter(April)

They will be there way before September but you can't change timetable until they are all in place, signaling also needs time to be done and for the month or so after that there will be speed limits around stations

Sligo is getting 5-12 minutes off the times as a result of the 22k's in January

KSW · 14-11-2007, 17:37

Mark, If you know - Why is the signalling taking so long?

anto · 14-11-2007, 17:55

It dosent seem to appear online anyone any idea has it been cut or just a mistake ?? and does anyone know will the 1625 dubto wat now officaly have 1st class ?

Mark Gleeson · 14-11-2007, 17:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeithStephen

Mark, If you know - Why is the signalling taking so long?

Signaling will be April ish, add 2 months to get rid of the temporary speed limits it creates. Then there is the question of the new station in Rosslare

If you change something on the Rosslare line it can effect services as far away as Limerick now, so its much easier to change in one go country wide rather than piecemeal

Mark Gleeson · 14-11-2007, 18:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by anto

It dosent seem to appear online anyone any idea has it been cut or just a mistake ?? and does anyone know will the 1625 dubto wat now officaly have 1st class ?

Its fairly typical that Irish Rail make a mess of the timetable online, frequently stuff goes missing

The 11:30 ex Heuston runs as current and gets in 6 minutes earlier, its rostered to go back that afternoon at 3 so is most likely still there

16:25 will have first sometime in 2008, more importantly it will become a Mk3 operated service then a 22k operated service which may or may have first, probably won't

paddyb180285 · 14-11-2007, 18:03

Mark, I would like to know your opinion on this matter. Dalkey's timetable will have been the same for two years if the 2008 timetable has indeed been set in stone until next September. Last year, the 15:36 Dalkey service to Maynooth stopped serving Dalkey, Shankill, Killiney and Glenageary despite the fact that loads of people got on at these stations. Now they have paired it down even further to go none stop between Blackrock and Landsdown road. Currently there are DART services which go none stop between Bray and Dun Laoghaire from Greystones and others which begin their journey at Dun Laoghaire. This leaves an uneven amount of services between the following stretches:
Dun Laoghaire - Connolly(A lot of services particularly in Blackrock*, Sydney Parade and Dun Laoghaire* itself.)
Bray - Dun Laoghaire(Noticeably fewer services)

The two stations marked with an * have gained an extra service.Fair enough, if the two are major bus interchages. However, Dalkey in particular being a small town in itself is at the moment poorly serviced by both bus and train.

Mark Gleeson · 14-11-2007, 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by paddyb180285

Dalkey in particular being a small town

QED, its a village btw and at all times the 15 minutes interval is maintained

Railcars are very slow compared to a DART, so a DART can do Bray, Shankill, Killiney and stop in Dalkey in 60 seconds more than a railcar doing Bray Dalkey non stop

The timetable is designed to ensure trains get into town on time

The Bray-Maynooth/Drogheda trains exist only since they ran out of space in Pearse

paddyb180285 · 14-11-2007, 18:31

Mark, what about the railcars that are tightly squeezed between two DART services.I often see them cruising along.Most of these are the Bray express Commuter Branded trains.The point I am trying to make is that at that pace they can afford an extra stop or two.With a dart two or three minutes ahead as it has been in a lot of cases,the Commuter can't pick up speed.Therefore, SOME of them could be used to fill in gaps in one or more timetables to allow the train ahead to get further afield so that after it services Dun Laoghaire it can pick up speed.I would see it as making the most of what there is to improve the frequency as much as possible.

Mark Gleeson · 14-11-2007, 19:02

If they stop the DART behind gets it, I've seen Railcar-DART-Railcar-DART leave Bray in less than 10 minutes, its a very careful balance to get everything into the city particularly at the start of the rush hour

The timetable of all services through Connolly is a disaster there is no sense in most of the timetabling, there are way too many railcars starting in Bray which is leading to serious problems. Irish Rail could do heaps better and in fact offer a better service with quicker more reliable journeys if they bothered

Thomas Ralph · 14-11-2007, 20:21

Yes, I've wondered why there are so many railcars sent out to Bray in the morning and back. Doesn't seem to make much sense.

Edward Ryan · 14-11-2007, 22:25

Dublin To Rosslare Weekday

05-44 MF Arklow-Rosslare Harbour
07-26 MS Connolly-Rosslare Harbour (from Drogheda)
11-35 MS Connolly-Gorey
13-05 MS Connolly-Rosslare Harbour
17-25 MF Connolly-Enniscorthy (from Maynooth)
19-50 MF Enniscorthy-Rosslare Harbour
18-37 MS Connolly-Rosslare Harbour (from Maynooth)

Rosslare To Dublin Weekday

05-35 MF Rosslare Harbour-Dundalk
06-00 MF Gorey-Sligo (operates till January 18th 2008)
06-00 MF Gorey-Connolly (operates from January 21st 2008)
06-45 SO Gorey-Dundalk
07-40 MS Rosslare Harbour-Connolly
13-00 MS Rosslare Harbour-Maynooth
14-48 MS Gorey-Maynooth
17-40 MS Rosslare Harbour-Drogheda
18-55 MF Rosslare Harbour-Enniscorthy (from Limerick Junction)
20-05 MF Enniscorthy-Connolly

Sunday times as current timetable
16-40 MF Connolly-Gorey & 19-23 Gorey-Connolly to operate from May 6th 2008

14-11-2007, 15:01	#42
ThomasJ Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Clonsilla Posts: 2,812	so the sligo service changes back from "railcar" to "intercity" on the 21st january 2008 and includes a 7.05 and 9.05 service. and the 6.00 gorey-sligo becomes the 6.00 gorey-connolly also the 16.00 will be a daily service giving 16:00, 17:05, 19:05 Last edited by ThomasJ : 14-11-2007 at 15:09.

14-11-2007, 15:48	#46
KSW Really Regular Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rosslare Line Posts: 600	Thomas J The January timetable is that not the Dec10th that I've mentioned!

14-11-2007, 15:55	#48
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	The 2008 timetable covers December 9th 2007 till September 2nd 2008 With effect from January 20th 2008 the Sligo line timetable is changed considerably to account for full operation by 22k railcars with 5-12 minute reduction in journey times September 2nd probably will have changes due to the resignaling on the Rosslare line and the 22k's going on there as well. Heuston side will have changes as more 22k's enter service, the depot in Portlaoise will be just about open, the speed limit in Portarlington will change from 25mph to 80mph, Nenagh commuter services __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know Last edited by Mark Gleeson : 14-11-2007 at 16:01.

14-11-2007, 17:55	#52
anto New to the board Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2	1500 waterford-dublin It dosent seem to appear online anyone any idea has it been cut or just a mistake ?? and does anyone know will the 1625 dubto wat now officaly have 1st class ? Last edited by anto : 14-11-2007 at 17:57. Reason: 1625 1st class

14-11-2007, 18:31	#57
paddyb180285 Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 115	Mark, what about the railcars that are tightly squeezed between two DART services.I often see them cruising along.Most of these are the Bray express Commuter Branded trains.The point I am trying to make is that at that pace they can afford an extra stop or two.With a dart two or three minutes ahead as it has been in a lot of cases,the Commuter can't pick up speed.Therefore, SOME of them could be used to fill in gaps in one or more timetables to allow the train ahead to get further afield so that after it services Dun Laoghaire it can pick up speed.I would see it as making the most of what there is to improve the frequency as much as possible. Last edited by paddyb180285 : 14-11-2007 at 18:33.

14-11-2007, 14:42	#41
CSL Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 378	When do these changes go active ?

14-11-2007, 15:02	#43
KSW Really Regular Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rosslare Line Posts: 600	December 10th

14-11-2007, 15:23	#44
ThomasJ Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Clonsilla Posts: 2,812	looks like from the january timetable the sligo early bird is back and one of the morning longford-pearse services are gone? also looks like the afternoon longford-bray is also gone in the january timetbable but new 16:04 maynooth-bray (all stops to connolly)

14-11-2007, 15:37	#45
comcor Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cork-Dublin, Cork Commuter and occasionally DART and Dublin-Wexford Posts: 855	These are the changes down in Cork. Cork-Cobh: One extra train a day. Where there are now trains at 18:30, 20:00, 21:30, the new timetable has 18:30, 19:30, 20:30, 21:30 Cork-Mallow: One train less a day. There's an extra departure at 05:45, but the 07:15 and 22:30 are gone. The loss of the 22:30 means 21:55 is the last train. Cobh-Mallow: The number of through trains with no connection drops from six to five a day Cork-Tralee: The number of through trains with no connection drops from three to two a day. The total number of trains when connections are included remains at nine.

14-11-2007, 15:49	#47
ThomasJ Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Clonsilla Posts: 2,812	it is, the january timetable effective on the sligo line from the 21st

14-11-2007, 17:17	#49
KSW Really Regular Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rosslare Line Posts: 600	Mark September is that for the 22k trains, Is it not Easter(April)

14-11-2007, 17:37	#51
KSW Really Regular Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rosslare Line Posts: 600	Mark, If you know - Why is the signalling taking so long?

14-11-2007, 18:03	#55
paddyb180285 Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 115	Mark, I would like to know your opinion on this matter. Dalkey's timetable will have been the same for two years if the 2008 timetable has indeed been set in stone until next September. Last year, the 15:36 Dalkey service to Maynooth stopped serving Dalkey, Shankill, Killiney and Glenageary despite the fact that loads of people got on at these stations. Now they have paired it down even further to go none stop between Blackrock and Landsdown road. Currently there are DART services which go none stop between Bray and Dun Laoghaire from Greystones and others which begin their journey at Dun Laoghaire. This leaves an uneven amount of services between the following stretches: Dun Laoghaire - Connolly(A lot of services particularly in Blackrock, Sydney Parade and Dun Laoghaire itself.) Bray - Dun Laoghaire(Noticeably fewer services) The two stations marked with an * have gained an extra service.Fair enough, if the two are major bus interchages. However, Dalkey in particular being a small town in itself is at the moment poorly serviced by both bus and train.

14-11-2007, 19:02	#58
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	If they stop the DART behind gets it, I've seen Railcar-DART-Railcar-DART leave Bray in less than 10 minutes, its a very careful balance to get everything into the city particularly at the start of the rush hour The timetable of all services through Connolly is a disaster there is no sense in most of the timetabling, there are way too many railcars starting in Bray which is leading to serious problems. Irish Rail could do heaps better and in fact offer a better service with quicker more reliable journeys if they bothered __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

14-11-2007, 20:21	#59
Thomas Ralph IT Officer Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greenwich, London Posts: 1,860	Yes, I've wondered why there are so many railcars sent out to Bray in the morning and back. Doesn't seem to make much sense.

14-11-2007, 22:25	#60
Edward Ryan Regular Poster Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gorey Posts: 74	Dublin To Rosslare Weekday 05-44 MF Arklow-Rosslare Harbour 07-26 MS Connolly-Rosslare Harbour (from Drogheda) 11-35 MS Connolly-Gorey 13-05 MS Connolly-Rosslare Harbour 17-25 MF Connolly-Enniscorthy (from Maynooth) 19-50 MF Enniscorthy-Rosslare Harbour 18-37 MS Connolly-Rosslare Harbour (from Maynooth) Rosslare To Dublin Weekday 05-35 MF Rosslare Harbour-Dundalk 06-00 MF Gorey-Sligo (operates till January 18th 2008) 06-00 MF Gorey-Connolly (operates from January 21st 2008) 06-45 SO Gorey-Dundalk 07-40 MS Rosslare Harbour-Connolly 13-00 MS Rosslare Harbour-Maynooth 14-48 MS Gorey-Maynooth 17-40 MS Rosslare Harbour-Drogheda 18-55 MF Rosslare Harbour-Enniscorthy (from Limerick Junction) 20-05 MF Enniscorthy-Connolly Sunday times as current timetable 16-40 MF Connolly-Gorey & 19-23 Gorey-Connolly to operate from May 6th 2008

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