Irish rail prices compared to Europe - Page 2

Dublin13 · 21-01-2016, 09:44

Of course things need four tracking, there is no doubt about that, however there simply isn't the land to build it.

James Shields · 21-01-2016, 11:34

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Originally Posted by Dublin13

Of course things need four tracking, there is no doubt about that, however there simply isn't the land to build it.

4-tracking Connolly-Malahide would be a massive project, would take several years, and probably cost about a billion Euros, and probably would have a lot of weekend closures that people would complain about. However, I believe it is both possible and necessary.

Most of the route is either in a cutting or on an embankment. In both cases, replacing the sloping sides of the cutting/embankment with vertical concrete walls should create ample room for the extra tracks. Several of the bridges even appear to have been built with this in mind.

There are a few pinch points, particularly around Howth Junction/Kilbarrick, but I think the amount of property that would need to be CPOd to complete the project would be minimal, and I think the benefit to the city and country would be almost as great as the Interconnector.

There are a few unfortunate places were recent development was allowed close to the tracks (next to Howth Junction and Malahide stations spring to mind), and I suspect some of those would have to be purchased and demolished.

James

Mark Gleeson · 21-01-2016, 12:04

I can't see 4 tracks on the Northside happening, its a hard sell, disruptive and doesn't add any catchment to the system

Best option is to 4 track from Connolly to south of Kilester, bulk of that section as far as Clontarf Rd is already 4 tracks wide

Tunnel from Kilester through the existing playing fields to Airport and rejoin at Rush and Lusk

Solves the capacity problem, brings in a new catchment area and avoid having to invent some form of grade separated solution at Howth Junction

Sure its not cheap, but our cousins in Europe would be signing off on projects like this without hesitation

James Howard · 21-01-2016, 18:43

That would indeed be a far better solution and would kill multiple birds with the same stone. It is just a pity that every government is so hideously short-sighted when it comes to public transport. The sad fact is that the majority of people would much rather sink 20 grand into a car than spend a quarter of that in taxes on public transport infrastructure. Then we wonder why the average house price in Dublin is somewhere around 8 times the medium income.

Where else would it be front page news on a national newspaper that a state-owned bus company had just bought 20 new buses (as was the case last February)? And the begrudgers then were all out moaning at the cost of them.

21-01-2016, 12:04	#23
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	I can't see 4 tracks on the Northside happening, its a hard sell, disruptive and doesn't add any catchment to the system Best option is to 4 track from Connolly to south of Kilester, bulk of that section as far as Clontarf Rd is already 4 tracks wide Tunnel from Kilester through the existing playing fields to Airport and rejoin at Rush and Lusk Solves the capacity problem, brings in a new catchment area and avoid having to invent some form of grade separated solution at Howth Junction Sure its not cheap, but our cousins in Europe would be signing off on projects like this without hesitation __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

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Dublin13 Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 130	Of course things need four tracking, there is no doubt about that, however there simply isn't the land to build it.

21-01-2016, 18:43	#24
James Howard Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sligo Line Posts: 1,115	That would indeed be a far better solution and would kill multiple birds with the same stone. It is just a pity that every government is so hideously short-sighted when it comes to public transport. The sad fact is that the majority of people would much rather sink 20 grand into a car than spend a quarter of that in taxes on public transport infrastructure. Then we wonder why the average house price in Dublin is somewhere around 8 times the medium income. Where else would it be front page news on a national newspaper that a state-owned bus company had just bought 20 new buses (as was the case last February)? And the begrudgers then were all out moaning at the cost of them.