[13-14/07/2010] Enterprise services

[chris]

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0713/nor...87053,null,230

Six One said 110

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_...d/10617267.stm

BBC went with 55

Based on the very low number of people on the 11:00 ex Dublin yesterday, I'd say 55 could be the correct figure. Of course, if they can't even get that straight, then how are they going to start compensation..

[ColmmacO]

Was it the locomotive that the people got into? Or the other thing at the front.
I've often seen doors open on loco's leaving connolly.

According to this mornings metro there was people standing on the track which was why the train stopped. Apparently it was a group of scouts who had there luggage taken on the train.
Personally, bar the usual lack of info and customer service, I would be fairly slow to attach blame to the rail companies for this one. It sounds like a fairly crazy occurance, not something you would expect to happen.

[Mark Gleeson]

Well the cab door should have been locked...

Barry Kenny's performance on Liveline was a disgrace as he refused to provide information as to how to deal with the luggage issue.

Its not 'unforeseen', its not the first time someone got access to the cab of an enterprise service and caused trouble.

Not like Irish Rail isn't used to gangs of youths need I mention Broombridge?

[ThomasJ]

BBC Newsline did a piece on this yesterday

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/n...nd/8817357.stm

[ThomasJ]

irish times

Iarnród Éireann has praised the reaction of staff during an attack by masked rioters on a Belfast to Dublin train on Monday evening. Up to 60 people forced the Enterprise train to come to a stop near Lake Street, Lurgan, Co Armagh, at about 5pm. Petrol bombs were thrown in an attempt to set fire to the driver’s area. However, staff were able to lock off the main passenger area from the rioters, Iarnród Éireann said.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...274659316.html

[Mark Gleeson]

Doesn't the rule book require that all doors be locked at all times?

staff were able to lock off the main passenger area from the rioters, Iarnród Éireann said.

[ThomasJ]

ahh i see what you mean, sorry i misread it

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

The passenger doors on the train are locked and can be only be unlocked when stationary using a guards key

Originally Posted by Irish Times/Irish Rail

However, staff were able to lock off the main passenger area from the rioters, Iarnród Éireann said.

hopefully lessons are learned from this experience.

[ThomasJ]

By Kevin Doyle and Claire Murphy
Friday July 16 2010
THUGS who hijacked a Dublin - bound train
doused passengers ' bags in petrol in an
attempt to commit "mass murder".
A community worker was hailed a hero today
after confronting rioters who attacked the Irish
Rail train in Lurgan on July 12.
The full horror of the incident only emerged
today as Iarnrod Eireann confirmed to the
Herald that some pieces of luggage were
soaked in an attempt to burn up to 60 people
alive .
Footage showing bags being thrown off the
train initially led investigators to believe they
were being stolen.
However, it has now emerged that a
community worker risked his life to remove the
petrol - soaked bags, most of which belonged to
boy scouts.
"Some were doused and some were burned , "
explained an Irish Rail spokesperson .
"They were trying to set the driver ' s cab on fire
and they also poured petrol on to some of the
heavy bags and luggage."
Steven Moutrey DUP said ; "But for the work of
a community worker on Monday there could
have been mass murder. "
Today, a hero community worker told how he
confronted the vicious mob and tried to alert
those on board the train to the danger. The
man , identified only as John , told UTV how he
confronted a masked man as rioters were
intent on killing all 55 passengers .
"I told him that there were women and children
on the train, he said ' f them, let them burn' , "
he recalled . Having confronted the masked
man , who had a five galloon drum in his hand ,
John got into the driver' s carriage.
"I move from there through the carriage and
started to shout at the people because
somebody shouted to me that they were going
to set the train on fire . They just couldn ' t
comprehend what was going on."
Irish Rail said that an investigation is ongoing
but the spokesperson was unaware of the
community worker ' s heroic actions .
hnews@ herald.ie
- Kevin Doyle and Claire Murphy

from todays herald. very worrying ! :-(

[on the move]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

Listened to it and its not clear

The Dublin-Belfast train has been hijacked before, but this has to be one of the lowest depths of rail history in Ireland.

I don't care what side of the religious fence people sit on, or how they feel about parades in Northern Ireland. I'm not interested in history lessons or how oppressed they feel, there are not enough words to describe how appalling the incident this week is.

The Enterprise service is one of the rail network's best services. The trains are clean, the carriages are comfortable, the service is one of the most reliable in the network. But this is currently a bad time for rail transport in Ireland. Last year, a major viaduct collapsed and suspended services for 3 months, leading to colossal loss of revenues, we're just about to have a line closed, fares are climbing, while competing modes of transport in Ireland are getting faster and cheaper.

No "cause" political or otherwise, would have been advanced or resisted had even more damage occurred this week. Mass murder was miraculously averted, but the individuals responsible should have the full weight of the law thrown at them. There is no room in civilised society for those who indiscriminately terrorise 60 innocent rail passengers for no reason. If they get away with their actions, it's only a matter of time before it happens again on trains or even north-south bus services.

The incident this week had nothing to do with parades, it had nothing to do with politics, it had nothing to do with terrorism. It was vandalism for vandalism's sake. Pure and simple. The only solution is to deploy police forces from both sides of the border on the service around this date in the future, to calm the concerns of passengers. Gardai on the Irish side of the border and the PSNI on the other side. The financial impact is immaterial. Every precaution has to be taken to prevent what happened this week ever happening again.

[ThomasJ]

so we may have an idea of why luggage left the train
http://www.u.tv/News/Rioters-tried-t...1-bcfea086550e

Rioters "tried to firebomb" Lurgan train
Rioters who attacked a train in Lurgan on July 12 were only prevented from firebombing it by a community worker trying to save passengers, it has emerged.

Thursday, 15 July 2010
TAGS: LOCAL NEWS
Footage showed the man throwing luggage from the train - they were actually soaked in petrol and, minutes later, he confronted a man with a five gallon drum of diesel in his hands.

The man - who did not want to be identified - told UTV a rioter wanted to let those on board the train burn.

"I told him there were women and children on the train," he said.

Article Continues
"He (the rioter) said 'Let them burn' - this person was intent on killing everybody on the train with no regard for their lives."

There were 55 passengers of all ages on the Dublin-bound Enterprise train when it was surrounded by a mob who blocked its path, on the line close to the Kilwilkie estate - a dissident republican stronghold.

The community worker described seeing one woman who "just looked terrified".

The passengers, staff and the driver had locked themselves in a carriage. They were so terrified the rioters would board the train, the community worker had to persuade them he was on their side before he could gain access to where they were.

Speaking about those responsible, the man said: "They were quite willing to kill anybody on board. No regard for human life whatsoever.

"There were people who were completely innocent. There were women and children. People had no regard for life whatsoever."

He managed to convince the driver to move the train and stayed with him until it reached Portadown.

Sinn Fein representative for the area John O'Dowd said there was no doubt dissident republicans were behind it.

"Some of the known faces in the area were there.

"I think that people were dragged into situations once the trouble flared who may not have sympathies with the dissidents."

The DUP's Stephen Moutray added: "But for the work of a community worker, there could have been mass murder on the railway line and not for the first time."

© UTV News

backing this up a comment on the bbc news website
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern+ireland-10627977

My two adult daughters and I were passengers on board the 1610 train from Belfast to Dublin on Monday. Just south of Belfast, the train was stopped by people blocking the tracks. We didn't know this initially, but started to wonder what was happening as we saw a small crowd of people gathering on either side of the tracks and looking toward the front of the train. Two men passed through our car with grease-stained hands and arms (and some said with blood on their hands, but I didn't see that). One was talking on a phone, saying that the train had been hijacked. By this time, the train had begun moving again. As we passed the crossing where people were gathered, we saw young men wearing masks over their faces. What we did not see at any time was any sign of a police presence. Shortly after the train resumed moving, a conductor passed through our car and told me that protesters had thrown bricks and petrol bombs at the engine, that the two men that passed through our car were members of the community who had jumped into the fray to disarm the situation, that the train was under the control of the railway, and that we were safe. At the next station, when we left the train, we passed the engine. Half of the front windshield was shattered in several places, one side window was also shattered, the window of the door to enter the engine was completely broken out, there were signs of fire inside the cab, and scorching on the front of the engine.

James Grant, Belfast

100% agreement with on the move great post, by the sounds of things, what we have heard today sounds genuine based on what irish rail have said and a major "mass murder" event has been averted

[dowlingm]

I think that IE and NIR should consider suspending the Enterprise as a through service. Every time these thugs disrupt the service it must cost a mint of money and disruption to the timetable.

[ThomasJ]

Given the stories that have come out over the past few days, how urgent is a risk analysis on lurgan required?

There are too many "security alerts" in this area. A major incident was,narrowly averted, do we hope tht this doesnt happen again or take action?

Theres a possability this could affect passenger numbers on the enterprise.

[on the move]

You take action to prevent it happening again. "Hoping" that it doesn't happen again is not an option. FFS, even Al Qaida don't pull a stunt like what happened on that train last week, and a fortune is spent around the world to try to deter them.

[ThomasJ]

Agreed, that is my point (although badly put) we cannot wait for a major disaster to take place to try to resolve it, too many lessons have been learnt this way.

As a rail passenger i decided not to take a rail trip up north because of this

[Colm Moore]

It seems the trouble was at Lake Street (not to be confused with Lough Road) which is hte first level crossing north east of Lurgan station: http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=t2b...62&lvl=1&sty=o

[Mark Gleeson]

Some good news finally

Originally Posted by Irish Times

Man held over attempted train hijack

Police in Northern Ireland have arrested a 23-year-old man in connection with an attempted hijacking of a train in Lurgan, Co Armagh.

A group of up to 60 masked rioters forced the Belfast-Dublin Enterprise train to come to a stop near Lake Street, Lurgan at 4.30pm on July 12th.

Petrol bombs were thrown in an attempt to set fire to the driver’s area. However, staff were able to lock off the main passenger area from the rioters and the driver managed to regain control and continue the journey.

The man was arrested in the Drumnamoe Avenue area at 4.40am. Police also carried out a number of searches across Lurgan this morning. A number of items were seized by the PSNI for further examination.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...reaking29.html

[Mark Gleeson]

Further news is Irish Rail has had a change of heart and will now compensate the passengers who had luggage in the luggage van.

Its in todays Sunday Times, page 5.

[Mark Gleeson]

The UK rail accident investigation branch will not be investigating the matter.

[on the move]

Originally Posted by ThomasJ

Agreed, that is my point (although badly put) we cannot wait for a major disaster to take place to try to resolve it, too many lessons have been learnt this way.

As a rail passenger i decided not to take a rail trip up north because of this

Almost 12 months on, have Irish Rail and/or NI Railways put firm plans in place to guarantee the safety of rail passengers travelling on the service in early-mid-July 2011?

Mass murder was narrowly averted last summer. Next time, passengers might not be so lucky, if extra security procedures are not put in place to prevent a repeat of what did happen. At such a sensitive time, the fate of passengers cannot and should not be left to chance.