Enterprise fleet refurbishment - Page 2

berneyarms · 17-05-2015, 11:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

By 31 December 2015 will mean they had 18 months approval by the EU yet it was at least 4 months before the first full DD was withdrawn...

Clearly there were issues - what they were I don't know.

But I'm not really sure what your point is - problems can crop up with any project in any organisation - I would doubt Translink were just sitting around for four months doing nothing.

Mark Gleeson · 18-05-2015, 15:13

The problems are very similar to the DART refurbishment project, bad management and control. I doubt York Road has the space to take another set of coaches. As early as January the program was already a month behind.

The contract for the carpets was only signed in March, there were 15 odd contract lots and I know the names of only 5 companies awarded so odds are other bits are sitll in limbo

The first carriage entered the shed on November 12th, so 5 months to decide on carpet is a farce. There are also major compliance issues in terms of accessibility which could sink the whole project due people not reading up on the legal requirements.

There isn't really an issue with NIR staff driving an 22k, the train is compliant with UK reg. The train doesn't have guards panels and no provision for door release/close from the rear cab so it doesn't work with NIR's conductor operation with local door control, it could be done but in the 21st century it gets messed up with safety requirements and reviews for something IE have done for years. IE driving a C3K would be easier has its basically a pimped out 29k

Jamie2k9 · 21-05-2015, 19:07

http://www.irishrail.ie/news/enterpriseupgrade

Quote:

Improving your Enterprise Service - Train set changes from Monday 25th May

10 May 2015

A major upgrade of the Belfast to Dublin ‘Enterprise’ Carriages is currently taking place.

The Enterprise service has long been considered a relaxing way to travel between Dublin and Belfast, whether you’re travelling on business or for leisure. Operating eight services in each direction, Monday to Saturday and five journeys in each direction on Sundays, it offers a high quality, value for money service which is convenient, comfortable and a safe travel option.

As part of our commitment to maintaining our high standards of quality and comfort on board, a refurbishment program is underway to deliver the following enhancements:

A significant overhaul of the train’s mechanical systems,
Modern attractive new interiors/seating,
New 21st Century livery,
Replacement of the Passenger Information System,
A new electronic passenger reservation system,
New CCTV system.
This mid-life refurbishment is designed to make rail transport between Ireland’s two largest cities even more comfortable and attractive for our existing and prospective customers.

The scheme which is financed through the European Union’s INTERREG IVA Programme, managed by the Special EU Programmes Body (SEUPB), with support from the Department for Regional Development, is due to be completed by the end of 2015.

To enable refurbishment works to these carriages, the regular Enterprise Train will be replaced by Irish Rail Intercity Diesel Railcars (ICR) and CAF sets on the following services;

06:50hrs Belfast Connolly - CAF
07:35hrs Connolly Belfast - ICR
09:35hrs Connolly Belfast - CAF
10:35hrs Belfast Connolly - ICR
11:05hrs (Sun only) Belfast Connolly - CAF
12:35hrs Belfast Connolly - CAF
13:20hrs Connolly Belfast - ICR
14:00hrs (Sun only) Connolly Belfast - CAF
15:20hrs Connolly Belfast - CAF
16:05hrs Belfast Connolly - ICR
18:05hrs Belfast Connolly - CAF
19:00hrs Connolly Belfast - ICR
20:50hrs Connolly Belfast - CAF
21:35hrs Belfast Connolly - ICR
The ICR services will have reduced 1st Plus and Enterprise capacity.

The CAF services will be operated by non Enterprise trains and therefore cannot offer First plus or catering facilities.

More information is available at www.translink.co.uk/enterpriseupgrade , who are undertaking the refurbishment project on behalf of both companies.

The 20:05hrs service from Belfast to Dublin Connolly will be deferred until 21:35hrs until further notice.

Additional Dundalk to Dublin Connolly service - Monday to Friday
Due to reduced capacity on the 06.50hrs Belfast Central to Dublin Connolly service from Monday 25th May, Iarnród Éireann Irish Rail will be operating an additional service from Dundalk, departing at 07.55hrs Monday – Friday, calling at Drogheda at 08.18hrs, arriving into Dublin Connolly at 09.03hrs.

A revised Sunday timetable will also come into effect on Enterprise services from Sunday 16th November to better match customer demand, click for full information on these changes.

Jamie2k9 · 05-08-2015, 23:37

I'm told that NI still don't an a date for when the first set will return to service, anyone in IE side know any more and what sort of progress have they made since May?

irishsaint · 27-09-2015, 11:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

I'm told that NI still don't an a date for when the first set will return to service, anyone in IE side know any more and what sort of progress have they made since May?

ACustomer · 27-09-2015, 17:41

There were some photos posted on another site in the past 3 days showing two DD coaches at Connolly en route for Inchicore. So it seems that IE are having to help resolve what is a very bad performance by NIR.

I don't thing that Inchicore figured in the original plan. Maybe they should have!

Mark Gleeson · 27-09-2015, 19:43

Members section has more details as to the goings on

Inchicore did not feature in the plan, but was tabled 4 months ago to Translink

The dinning car is the unknown, as its getting seats fitted. Clearly the seats haven't arrived. The interior thankfully looks better than the photo mock ups we were shown nearly a year ago

Jamie2k9 · 28-09-2015, 01:10

Mark

There is one Dinning Car fitted with 22000 seating (purple of course). Its in same config as First (2:1) layout.

Planned or penny pinching??

Another thing I noticed is Open/Close door buttons are yellow, have not learned from when they decided orange on 22s. Will it be raised as its a stupid mistake to make again. Not even bothered to write open or closed on them either.

No table lamps in First also, suprised.

Lots of photos below:
https://chrisplayfair.smugmug.com/Tr...5372&k=8F8bb8d

irishsaint · 28-09-2015, 08:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

The dinning car is the unknown, as its getting seats fitted. Clearly the seats haven't arrived. The interior thankfully looks better than the photo mock ups we were shown nearly a year ago

some pics of the finished dining car

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7e18d7qss3..._3638.JPG?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xs10abhrv3..._3639.JPG?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/od8x8ke2ts..._3640.JPG?dl=0

James Shields · 08-10-2015, 21:43

The remaining enterprise set has gone out of service. Where NIR have found spare C3K sets for the displacement, I can only guess.

Good to see progress is finally being made. I was beginning to wonder if the sets would all go out of service, and mysteriously never be heard of again.

James

Mark Gleeson · 08-10-2015, 22:28

Been some significant service cuts in NI in a recent timetable change which helped. That said on some days its 3 cars only

Inniskeen · 08-10-2015, 23:33

NIR timetable changes are actually relatively modest and mainly affect off peak services, principally on the Larne line. Little impact on set requirements.

James Shields · 13-10-2015, 09:59

Any word on refurbished stock reentering service? I was on the 20:50 from Connolly last night, which was enterprise stock until a couple of weeks ago, but it's still NIR stock.

James

Mark Gleeson · 13-10-2015, 12:45

No word

As far as I know it hasn't crossed the border and it will require RSC sign off before carrying passengers.

There is a staff training issue also for the driver MMI and on train computer. That said its basically the same as used on the Mk4 sets

The three coaches sent to Inchicore are still there

irishsaint · 13-10-2015, 13:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Shields

Any word on refurbished stock reentering service? I was on the 20:50 from Connolly last night, which was enterprise stock until a couple of weeks ago, but it's still NIR stock.

James

Every week I hear next week..... But I am told to expect the 08:00 from Belfast next week to be the first new Enterprise. Believe it when I see it! I would say we are very close to the first set coming back, but the other 2 are about 20 billion years behind... well, way behind anyway, being told March next year earliest we will see one of the other two back in action.

James Shields · 13-10-2015, 17:54

Aren't there 4 sets?

Inniskeen · 13-10-2015, 19:26

Yes, there are four seven-piece sets (eight-piece including generator van, excluding loco) although until the collapse of Malahide viaduct, the fleet was typically formed into three sets of eight vehicles (excluding loco).

Current traffic levels frequently exceed the capacity available in the seven+generator formation although it appears there are no plans to restore capacity to pre Malahide collapse levels.

Thomas J Stamp · 14-10-2015, 15:28

there is a pic of 206 and the refurbished test train on a closed facebook page at bradbury place, so i guess something is happening.

Thomas J Stamp · 15-10-2015, 14:43

refurbished train was/is in connolly today. going down well it seems.

Mark Gleeson · 15-10-2015, 20:25

First visit to Dublin was today

Interior was not complete, still work needed in dining car.

Next Monday might be possible but who knows

18-05-2015, 15:13	#22
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	The problems are very similar to the DART refurbishment project, bad management and control. I doubt York Road has the space to take another set of coaches. As early as January the program was already a month behind. The contract for the carpets was only signed in March, there were 15 odd contract lots and I know the names of only 5 companies awarded so odds are other bits are sitll in limbo The first carriage entered the shed on November 12th, so 5 months to decide on carpet is a farce. There are also major compliance issues in terms of accessibility which could sink the whole project due people not reading up on the legal requirements. There isn't really an issue with NIR staff driving an 22k, the train is compliant with UK reg. The train doesn't have guards panels and no provision for door release/close from the rear cab so it doesn't work with NIR's conductor operation with local door control, it could be done but in the 21st century it gets messed up with safety requirements and reviews for something IE have done for years. IE driving a C3K would be easier has its basically a pimped out 29k __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

27-09-2015, 19:43	#27
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Members section has more details as to the goings on Inchicore did not feature in the plan, but was tabled 4 months ago to Translink The dinning car is the unknown, as its getting seats fitted. Clearly the seats haven't arrived. The interior thankfully looks better than the photo mock ups we were shown nearly a year ago __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know Last edited by Mark Gleeson : 27-09-2015 at 19:47.

28-09-2015, 01:10	#28
Jamie2k9 Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,146	Mark There is one Dinning Car fitted with 22000 seating (purple of course). Its in same config as First (2:1) layout. Planned or penny pinching?? Another thing I noticed is Open/Close door buttons are yellow, have not learned from when they decided orange on 22s. Will it be raised as its a stupid mistake to make again. Not even bothered to write open or closed on them either. No table lamps in First also, suprised. Lots of photos below: https://chrisplayfair.smugmug.com/Tr...5372&k=8F8bb8d Last edited by Jamie2k9 : 28-09-2015 at 01:20.

08-10-2015, 22:28	#31
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Been some significant service cuts in NI in a recent timetable change which helped. That said on some days its 3 cars only __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

13-10-2015, 12:45	#34
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	No word As far as I know it hasn't crossed the border and it will require RSC sign off before carrying passengers. There is a staff training issue also for the driver MMI and on train computer. That said its basically the same as used on the Mk4 sets The three coaches sent to Inchicore are still there __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

05-08-2015, 23:37	#24
Jamie2k9 Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,146	I'm told that NI still don't an a date for when the first set will return to service, anyone in IE side know any more and what sort of progress have they made since May?

27-09-2015, 17:41	#26
ACustomer Really Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 767	There were some photos posted on another site in the past 3 days showing two DD coaches at Connolly en route for Inchicore. So it seems that IE are having to help resolve what is a very bad performance by NIR. I don't thing that Inchicore figured in the original plan. Maybe they should have!

08-10-2015, 21:43	#30
James Shields Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Drogheda, Ireland Posts: 1,275	The remaining enterprise set has gone out of service. Where NIR have found spare C3K sets for the displacement, I can only guess. Good to see progress is finally being made. I was beginning to wonder if the sets would all go out of service, and mysteriously never be heard of again. James

08-10-2015, 23:33	#32
Inniskeen Really Regular Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 951	NIR timetable changes are actually relatively modest and mainly affect off peak services, principally on the Larne line. Little impact on set requirements.

13-10-2015, 09:59	#33
James Shields Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Drogheda, Ireland Posts: 1,275	Any word on refurbished stock reentering service? I was on the 20:50 from Connolly last night, which was enterprise stock until a couple of weeks ago, but it's still NIR stock. James

13-10-2015, 17:54	#36
James Shields Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Drogheda, Ireland Posts: 1,275	Aren't there 4 sets?

13-10-2015, 19:26	#37
Inniskeen Really Regular Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 951	Yes, there are four seven-piece sets (eight-piece including generator van, excluding loco) although until the collapse of Malahide viaduct, the fleet was typically formed into three sets of eight vehicles (excluding loco). Current traffic levels frequently exceed the capacity available in the seven+generator formation although it appears there are no plans to restore capacity to pre Malahide collapse levels.

14-10-2015, 15:28	#38
Thomas J Stamp Chairman/Publicity Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Home of Hurling Posts: 2,708	there is a pic of 206 and the refurbished test train on a closed facebook page at bradbury place, so i guess something is happening. __________________ We are the passengers

15-10-2015, 14:43	#39
Thomas J Stamp Chairman/Publicity Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Home of Hurling Posts: 2,708	refurbished train was/is in connolly today. going down well it seems. __________________ We are the passengers

15-10-2015, 20:25	#40
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	First visit to Dublin was today Interior was not complete, still work needed in dining car. Next Monday might be possible but who knows __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

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