Public Consultation PPT & Heuston Services 2016

[Colm Moore]

Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

Given only a peak service I don't see how they could. IC passengers would be more annoyed if they added stops at peak hours to cater for a few.

But the vast majority of intercity passengers don't live / work / study across the road from Heuston - they are coming from somewhere else and many people would benefit form the possibility of getting a train from their local station and then a cross-platform change of trains to their destination.

[Jamie2k9]

But the vast majority of intercity passengers don't live / work / study across the road from Heuston - they are coming from somewhere else and many people would benefit form the possibility of getting a train from their local station and then a cross-platform change of trains to their destination.

Yes I'm sure it would, but I don't think it should not come at adding 3 minutes to a service.

It's not as if Heuston badly linked in terms of transport and every single train passenger doesn't need the opportunity to travel via PPT. Stopping all trains at Hazelhatch to connect is madness.

The Luas to Connolly, 145 more less at Tara and Pearse St.

What is the problem with transferring from IC to Commuter to Commuter/DART over IC, to Bus or Luas, to DART etc The actual time difference is minutes.

Also bear in mind it's the first set of services, I'm sure if there is a genuine case for such travel then they can more less swap/alter and operate hourly PPT to Portlaoise and maintain Heuston-Portlaoise with Cork/Limerick and shuttles as well next year.

[Inniskeen]

I wouldn't be stopping every service at Hazelhatch but I would certainly consider stopping Intercity services at either Parkwest or Clondalkin (for access to/from the M50 and to get some value from the empty car park and little used station).

Initially it would only make sense to stop services at the morning and evening peaks and then only where convenient connections can be readily created.

[Jamie2k9]

I wouldn't be stopping every service at Hazelhatch but I would certainly consider stopping Intercity services at either Parkwest or Clondalkin (for access to/from the M50 and to get some value from the empty car park and little used station).

Initially it would only make sense to stop services at the morning and evening peaks and then only where convenient connections can be readily created.

Fair enough could be some merit in it however I think it's not an immediate priority. Should just give the service a chance and prehaps review when there is an actual new schedule from Heuston in place.

[Eddie]

I think there will be a gradual switch of some road traffic from to GCD Kildare via PPT service, due to simpler direct service to North-South rail corridor and lower fare (inclusion into Leapcard zone for Naas).

[grainne whale]

Originally Posted by Colm Moore

But the vast majority of intercity passengers don't live / work / study across the road from Heuston - they are coming from somewhere else and many people would benefit form the possibility of getting a train from their local station and then a cross-platform change of trains to their destination.

Actually there are a large no of people who find that Heuston is the best station for them : HSE, Revenue, Dublin City Council, Courts Service, St James Hospital, students/staff DIT. Trains running to GCD are of no use to them.

[Jamie2k9]

Phoenix Park Tunnel services

Seven new morning peak trains to Grand Canal Dock, and eight new evening peak trains from Grand Canal Dock begin on Monday 21st November, with limited stop services in the opposite direction:

Morning Peak

06.14 Newbridge to Grand Canal Dock
06.50 Hazelhatch to Grand Canal Dock
07.00 Newbridge to Grand Canal Dock
07.20 Newbridge to Grand Canal Dock
08.10 Hazelhatch to Grand Canal Dock
08.35 Hazelhatch to Grand Canal Dock
09.12 Newbridge to Grand Canal Dock


07.25 Grand Canal Dock to Hazelhatch*
07.49 Grand Canal Dock to Hazelhatch*
08.10 Grand Canal Dock to Newbridge*


Evening peak

16.20 Grand Canal Dock to Hazelhatch
16.40 Grand Canal Dock to Newbridge
17.00 Grand Canal Dock to Hazelhatch
17.28 Grand Canal Dock to Newbridge
17.58 Grand Canal Dock to Hazelhatch
18.16 Grand Canal Dock to Newbridge
18.40 Grand Canal Dock to Hazelhatch
19.13 Grand Canal Dock to Hazelhatch


15.10 Newbridge to Grand Canal Dock*
15.55 Hazelhatch to Grand Canal Dock*
17.00 Hazelhatch to Grand Canal Dock*
17.25 Hazelhatch to Grand Canal Dock*
17.55 Hazelhatch to Grand Canal Dock*
17.57 Newbridge to Grand Canal Dock*

These services will serve all stations between Newbridge/Hazelhatch and Parkwest; and Drumcondra, Connolly, Tara Street, Pearse and Grand Canal Dock, except those marked * which will serve limited stops – search the journey planner above for exact times. They will not serve Heuston Station – customers for Heuston should use existing trains between Newbridge/Hazelhatch and Heuston Station.

Services will also ensure connections at Hazelhatch/Newbridge for customers travelling on longer distance commuter services to/from stations such as Kildare, Portlaoise and others.

The new services give a new direct public transport connection between stations in south-west Dublin and north Kildare and the central business district between Connolly and Grand Canal Dock.

This is the first phase of services to operate via the Phoenix Park Tunnel. Iarnród Éireann and the National Transport Authority plan to expand services in the future to include off-peak and weekend services.

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Commuter services

06.40 Heuston to Newbridge advanced to 06.35
08.30 Heuston to Portlaoise advanced to 08.25
17.20 Heuston to Portlaoise deferred to 17.28
17.55 Heuston to Newbridge cancelled
18.10 Heuston to Portlaoise advanced to 18.05 and calls additionally at Parkwest and Clondalkin Fonthill
18.55 Heuston to Portlaoise deferred to 19.05hrs
06.25 Portlaoise to Heuston operates 2 to 3 minutes earlier from Monasterevin onwards
06.30 Carlow to Heuston operates 2 to 4 minutes later from Newbridge onwards
07.20 Portlaoise to Heuston advanced to 07.17
19.30 Portlaoise to Heuston advanced to 19.17

Intercity services

18.00 and 19.00 Heuston to Cork: minor revisions to times at intermediate stations
06.45 Cork to Tralee advanced to 06.20
07.00 Tralee to Heuston deferred to 07.05
19.00 Ballybrophy to Limerick deferred to 19.05
19.38 Limerick Junction to Limerick deferred to 19.40
20.45 Limerick Junction to Limerick deferred to 20.47
06.05 Waterford to Heuston advanced to 06.00
09.25 Heuston to Galway additional stop at Oranmore
17.20 Galway to Heuston additional stops at Kildare and Newbridge

http://www.irishrail.ie/news/phoenixparktimes
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Details in link of some customer feedback

[Kilocharlie]

20. PPT fares queries.

ADDRESSED: Travel to/from Drumcondra to GCD from stations on Heuston corridor will be within existing fare structures, with Leap fares distance based, and for cash Drumcondra to GCD treated as "city-centre add-on" as currently occurs with Luas services.

Looks like:
Leap - use new fares table
Cash - use city centre add-on fare

No info yet on Taxsaver P2P but, probably P2P + City Centre add-on at €430 per annum.

[berneyarms]

Originally Posted by Kilocharlie

20. PPT fares queries.

ADDRESSED: Travel to/from Drumcondra to GCD from stations on Heuston corridor will be within existing fare structures, with Leap fares distance based, and for cash Drumcondra to GCD treated as "city-centre add-on" as currently occurs with Luas services.

Looks like:
Leap - use new fares table
Cash - use city centre add-on fare

No info yet on Taxsaver P2P but, probably P2P + City Centre add-on at €430 per annum.

For the short hop stations the fares for services through the PPT are in the new fares table in the fare determination (cash and LEAP), and is distance based.

For outside the short hop zone I read it as you will need the city centre add on in addition to a ticket to Heuston to travel to Drumcondra, Connolly, Tara St, Pearse and GCD.

[Kilocharlie]

Originally Posted by berneyarms

For the short hop stations the fares for services through the PPT are in the new fares table in the fare determination (cash and LEAP), and is distance based.

For outside the short hop zone I read it as you will need the city centre add on in addition to a ticket to Heuston to travel to Drumcondra, Connolly, Tara St, Pearse and GCD.

Confirmed.

[ThomasJ]

Apologies for being the cynic . But I can see questions being raised in good time for why Kildare services can't use the midland line.

[Mark Gleeson]

Thats the 37 million euro question

Lets be clear the track layout in place around Connolly works

Trains to/from Docklands can run in parallel with Phoenix Park Tunnel, so trains from Phoenix Park Tunnel are using capacity that could not be otherwise used

[Jamie2k9]

So launch looks to of gone rater well with minimal delays and some ticket issues. Suspect the 08.10 and 08.35 inbound services may need to be adjusted slightly as been held up at Park West because of late running IC services, time will tell.

[ThomasJ]

apparently inbound maynooth trains got held up near glasnevin junction and drumcondra this morning

[Mark Gleeson]

Quite a few Maynooth trains heavily delayed before reaching Glasnevin this morning, so can't be blamed

[Kilocharlie]

Some delays this evening with 15 and 25 min delays.

One service, 1758 ex GCD arrived 10 mins late in Hazlehatch at 1856 according to realtime but the connecting service to Portlaoise left on time at 1851. Therefore connecting passengers had a long 35 wait for the 1905 from Heuston. The next train, 1816 GCD-Newbridge was 25mins late. Probably a knock on effect of the DART delays.

Presumable IE don't want to disrupt Heuston services if a GCD is late. If the 1825 had been held for 10mins, it might have delayed the 1900 to Cork.

Looks like it could be complicated for those relying on connections.

[comcor]

Although there's a big car park there, I presume there would be some CPOs of houses required if anyone wanted to put in an additional terminating platform at Hazelhatch?

[Jamie2k9]

Although there's a big car park there, I presume there would be some CPOs of houses required if anyone wanted to put in an additional terminating platform at Hazelhatch?

Not really, couple of options such as replicating the bay platform at Nass end with a set of points (signal equipment located currently at the bridge).

I believe IE have a little land at Dublin end of car pack, there is 2-3 houses there no occupied

[grainne whale]

Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

Not really, couple of options such as replicating the bay platform at Nass end with a set of points (signal equipment located currently at the bridge).

I believe IE have a little land at Dublin end of car pack, there is 2-3 houses there no occupied

I think that they may have been sold a while ago, but not developed yet.

[Mark Gleeson]

The current arrangements in Hazelhatch would support a train every 15 minutes without issue

You also have a turn back at Adamstown which again could support a train every 15 minutes without issue.

And of course the platform in Newbridge

There is space for headhunt south of Hazelhatch is needed but no extra platform needed

Plenty of places to hide trains

Car park isn't exactly full at any station enroute