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![]() Just keeping it in the news and maybe introducing it to some new people throughout Dublin in a non-technical and easy to understand fashion.
Original article is here http://www.informer.ie/article007.html?&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=236&tx_ttnews[backPid]=12&cHash=214febff6a with graphics and usual "doubt" as expressed by Derek. From the Dublin Informer. Quote:
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![]() Sounds more exciting than it really is. From RTE.ie
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![]() Just a journo re-hashing some of what was spoken about at the talk this evening.
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![]() Wood quay, isnt that going a bit out of the way, only slightly anyway. I can see how it works for comming into Heuston Rail yard behind platform ten, but to go pearse, stephens green and then turn towards the liffey again is a bit odd, not exactly a connect the dots tour of dublin.
But im happy to hear its on its way. Also i was not aware that the new pearse entrance was also including underground access to what is most likely an un-designed underground station. The works must be pretty complicated, its not like other viaduct sections in the city as it was origionally a terminal station and must have stronger supports. But from looking at connolly its most likely a maze of arch's that could prove very useful for the planned retail space in the new trinity building that this entrance is in aid of.
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![]() From The Irish Times
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![]() In Todays Independent
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![]() But the first comment asks the question is it really needed considering they have Broadstone and old Docklands. Well Broadstone will not be a rail station and I'll reserve judgement on whether docklands will be permanent?
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![]() How do you get a frequency of 3mins or less then the Balbriggan -> Kildare line will share the Northern line with non stop commuter and Enterprise services? Won't we still have the 20min+ gaps between services at certain times?
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![]() Until the loop line across the liffey was built in the 1880s, Connolly and Pearse were terminating stations. Imagine how the DART would function if it hadn't been built? Both halves would be useful, but joining them up vastly increases the possibilities. The same is true of the interconnector.
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![]() Not disagreeing on the merits of the interconnector, just wondering if anything will be done to try and reduce this problem? With both governments talking about more frequent Dublin-Belfast services, and increased commuter services, how are the DARTs going to feed into the interconnector every 3 minutes?
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![]() Not wanting to paraphrase Willie O'Dea, because I just don't like the man, but the Northern Line is a victim of its own success.
It travels through one of the most heavily populated areas in the Greater Dublin area. So how can it be fixed. 4 tracking it could be an option, albeit very difficult from Clontarf Road going North. |
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This is a top of my head idea so no slagging my lack of engineering considerations. |
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![]() Thats why the DART has to go all the way to Drogheda, not just to Ballbriggan.
This would take away the Drogheda Commuter service Diesel Trains and only leave the Dundalk Commuter and the Belfast Enterprise Diesel Trains to share the Northern Line with the DART.
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![]() Cut and cover through the Phoenix Park - imagine getting that past Áras an Uachtaráin and the Garda Security/Intelligence folks, never mind the nimbys and the greenies.
Is the Interconnector tunnel still going to be good for bilevel carriages/EMUs? I seem to remember that being the plan. I assume the Dargan Project issued a release saying it's all doable for 50c and a packet of Smarties? |
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![]() Assuming there are 20 slots each way per hour on the Northern line as well as the Interconnector, each Intercity/outer commuter train would probably get two slots (sticking them behind Howth trains to give them an extra cushion). If we assume one Intercity and two commuter trains per hour, that still leaves 14 slots for DARTs.
I'd like to see 3 or 4 tracking at least as far as Howth Junction, and preferably further. From the amount of development that seems to have been allowed to take place close to the tracks, it looks doubtful that IE have any ambition in this direction. For example, recent developments just south of Howth Junction, and beside the northbound platform at Malahide. |
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From my calculations it currently takes 14mins to do the journey from Howth Junction to Connolly (granted, the DART will turn off between Clontarf Road and Connolly.. so we could probably shave a minute or 2 for that)... add in 3 minute headway for the intercity service, +3 minutes for the headway for the train in front and you're give or take 20mins (not accounting for any slack IE want to put in the timetable). Now IE also have a tendency to run intercity and commuter services back to back to minimise the impact, so this would add a further 3-5 mins.... So is the interconnector going to sit idle for 20+mins an hour? |
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![]() Im a big supporter of it and it has to be built. But I still have my doubts. However that said, we need to be realistic about its potential. I recently wrote an article (above) where I reffered to it as being vital. Thats vital in terms of maintaining and growing the existing/planned surburban network. But lets not get carried away on talk of modal shift and the easing of traffic congestion. Its one part of what is needed, albeit in the absence of a coherent plan.
This comment on the Indo forum sums is a bit more realistic than John Lynch bull****.(Thanks to MarkH for the link ![]() Quote:
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![]() ![]() Having said that, and before anybody thinks that I've finally copped on and have started talkin sense, my bit of crayonism would be to branch the Belfast line off somewhere near Donabate and link to to the metro stop at Lissenhall or Swords - 5 km of pure greenfield - and bingo, you've got a rail link from Dublin Airport to Belfast, and an alternative Dublin city centre to Belfast route via the metro. First though, build the interconnector.
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![]() Technical discussion is reserved for the members area, crayonism is of no interest to the normal passenger
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