Metro North Route

[Mark Gleeson]

At a recent Fingal CC council meeting a motion to protect an alignment from Lissenhall to Donabate was defeated.

Context on this is

DART to Balbriggan is in T21
Funds to study a metro link from Metro North to Howth Junction/New station Grange Rd are in T21

RPA are not actively pursuing anything north of Lissenhall, they are looking at the Howth Junction thing, the southern half of Metro West and Luas to Finglas, they might not be listed in T21 but they are there

Our key concern is actually getting that DART to Balbriggan done and that doesn't look so positive

[dowlingm]

But that's going to be a Ballymun-Howth Junction MetroWest extension right? Not an insane MetroNorth branch which would replicate the conflicts of DART-Howth?

Should go the whole bloody hog and regauge Howth to Metro. No 0-change to An Lar? True, but 0-change to Ballymun's just as good

[Mark Gleeson]

That sounded good but the Metro West bit is looking like grange road not Howth Junction

[markpb]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

That sounded good but the Metro West bit is looking like grange road not Howth Junction

That's a pity. HJ would, in that situation, have Dart to Malahide, Dart to Howth, Suburban to Drogheda and an orbital bus link as well as Metro West.

[dowlingm]

If metro 24hr? Because even if it isn't initially, the capability for single line operation (for maintenance) should be in from day 1. In Toronto we won't see that till 2015 or something. At the moment the system is down 0200-0600 (0900 Sundays)

[Mark Gleeson]

It was mentioned somewhere that it can be 24 hour legally (as per Luas) but there will be a maintenance zone in the early morning

[shamrockmetro]

The members only part of the platform 11 site has plans of the Ballymun and O'Connell Street stops. The most stricking thing in the latter case is just how big it is, the southern entrances are by the Harp building and the northern ones a block north of the bridge. The line is a long way underground.


Can any of you fill me in or email this and any other information you have of architectural merit? or email it

What would you bet the ticket price would be??? express sounds expensive
in many other cities in europe it is around 2 euro fully underground and longer than 17km by miles...

Who is going to win the bid?

Some of these companies in different groups have very close links in other countries.... something to be mindful of.... ex or???

some old metro designs tell me what you think?

http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=6398

[shamrockmetro]

http://mic-ro.com/metro/metroart.html

[essoII]

i presume everyone has already seen this in the members section (don't know if ye all have, am not a full member) http://www.iei.ie/uploads/Files/Sect...R%20DUBLIN.PDF
there are draft architectural plans for MetroN already with pics in this pdf

(EDIT) think the link here's a dud, scroll down this page off archiseek and the links in one of the postshttp://www.archiseek.com/content/sho...?t=3679&page=8

[Gary]

Curious with this new Swords Express Bus doing the Pavilion in Swords to City Center in 30-35 Minutes how does that compare to what the Metro would offer? Does the government have the inter-connector higher up the priority scale than the metro or where does the Metro sit on the list of projects?

[Colm Donoghue]

The Swords express coach has about 16 services each way a day, metro can do that per hour.
metro goes to St Stephen's Green from Lissenhall
Metro is fully accessible, swords express isn't afaik
swords bus stops at about 8pm, metro will be running for about 18 hours per day

[Gary]

The Frequency of any service would vary depeinding on the popularity, you also have DB running buses from the airport. Anyway not advocating a replacement of the Metro but curious to know what the time difference is from O'connell bridge to Swords via Metro, would it be 20 minutes on the metro or longer?

Yep Colm you're right on access the buses I think are all high step coach type.

[Mark Gleeson]

Swords (Lissenhall P&R) to the Green is something like 24 minutes

[Peter FitzPatrick]

What kind of speed will metro travel at ? i'm guessing not more than 80 or 100k ?

[Mark]

I think Belinstown to SSG will be nearer 30 mins (Including Estury stop dwell). Swords to SSG 25 mins and Airport to SSG about 20 mins. The Parnell stop and Drumcondra deviation have added a few mins while the Ballymun C&C has probably lost a few.

Source: RPA.ie

Q. What is the journey time to the airport and to Swords?

A. The journey time from the airport to the St. Stephen’s Green terminus is likely to be under 20 minutes. The end to end journey time from Lissenhall to St. Stephen’s Green is likely to be around 30 minutes.

I think they are going for 80kmph capable - anymore than that is futile give the station spacings. Luas is currently 70kmph.

Does anyone know what system this picture is taken from?

http://www.transport21.ie/PROJECTS/M...tro_North.html

Cheers

[philip]

Don't know Mark. I don't recognise it. It's heavy rail with 3rd rail so that discounts Germany as I'd recognise any of the Munich/Berlin etc. systems using 3rd rail though I haven't used all the overhead premetro systems there.

It strikes me as possibly an American system.

[Mark Gleeson]

Its side 3rd rail system

It looks european, note the typically european analog clock. Probably Sweden, Denmark, Norway

[Brian Condron]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

Its side 3rd rail system

It looks european, note the typically european analog clock. Probably Sweden, Denmark, Norway

It's not Norway anyway. Well at least it's not Oslo, Bergen or Trondheim. I don't think any of the other cities have rapit transit anyway, and the NSB railway is all overhead lines.

[Thomas J Stamp]

if this becomes "where is this" mark3 there will be trouble.

[Mark Gleeson]

Understood number 1