Rail Users Ireland Forum

Go Back   Rail Users Ireland Forum > General Information & Discussion > Events, Happenings and Media
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Unread 25-06-2006, 11:15   #1
Kevin K Kelehan
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: West Tower
Posts: 355
Default Annual Reporting EBITA vs Actual profit

Quote:
RPA not directed by state to recover Luas costs
25 June 2006 By Richard Curran

The €238,000 surplus for the Luas reported by the Railway Procurement Agency (RPA) last week did not include a €24 million depreciation charge for the fall in the value of the network or €35 million in exchequer funding towards the cost of building it.

When depreciation is included as an operating cost, as it is in most businesses, the state’s subvention helped to bring about a modest operating surplus. However, the government has not directed the RPA to recover from Luas’s operations any of the €775 million it cost to build it.

Frank Allen, the RPA chief executive, said it was instructed to ensure the Luas broke even and did not require an operating subvention from the state in the future.

This enabled the agency to report that LUAS made a €238,000 surplus last year, which excluded the depreciation or the state’s capital grants towards the cost of construction. Neither did the surplus figure trumpeted by the RPA include any administration expenses incurred by the agency in relation to Luas.

If depreciation is included, as it would for most typical businesses, Luas made a loss of €24 million before exchequer funding. Based on these figures the state’s total subvention was equal to €1.09 for every passenger journey.

Allen acknowledged that the €238,000 described as a surplus by the RPA last week was equivalent to Luas’s earnings before interest, depreciation and tax (EBIT).

However, he rejected the suggestion that describing it as a surplus was in any way misleading because of the specific nature of the business. Typically businesses include their depreciation charges as part of their operating costs.

The RPA did this, but highlighted the more positive figure at its press conference last week on the basis that it doesn’t have to try and recoup those building costs. He said infrastructure firms are different.

‘‘No toll road in the world for example has recovered its capital costs. We do not recover capital costs,” he said. Allen said the goal set by the Department of Finance was to ensure that an operating subvention was not needed, and that means ensuring a break even. He said the Luas had achieved this ahead of schedule.

‘‘Our accounting approach is approved by our auditors and we are not doing anything unusual,” he said. He cited several international toll road companies that tried to recover their capital costs and they went bust. ‘‘Toll bridges recover capital costs, toll roads don’t,” he said.

The annual report shows the LUAS with an operating surplus of €957,000 when depreciation is included, but that also includes €34 million in grants and administrative expenses for the RPA.

Allen said the RPA head office operations were doing less and less work on Luas and there was nothing wrong in not attributing any of its €9.4 million administration costs in reporting a €238,000 surplus.

http://www.thepost.ie/post/pages/p/s...268-qqqx=1.asp
How does this compare against DART in terms of stripping out both capital expenditure and subvention?
Kevin K Kelehan is offline  
Unread 25-06-2006, 13:36   #2
Mark Gleeson
Technical Officer
 
Mark Gleeson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Coach C, Seat 33
Posts: 12,669
Default

Capital expenditure is separate but the operating budget shows depreciation on all Irish Rail accounts

€16.775 million was the depreciation charge for suburban last year

Loss €19.416

Only issue I have is the fact rolling stock is depicated over a short period of time 4 to 20 years is listed in the accounts. Hmm the cravens coaches are now 43 years old, MK3 oon average 20 and LHB DART 22

Last edited by Mark Gleeson : 25-06-2006 at 13:48.
Mark Gleeson is offline  
Unread 25-06-2006, 13:44   #3
Kevin K Kelehan
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: West Tower
Posts: 355
Default

Were there any additional financing costs on top of those figures?
Kevin K Kelehan is offline  
Closed Thread


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 21:04.


Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.