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Unread 28-04-2006, 08:12   #1
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Default [Letter] Don't trust what Irish Rail say

In recent weeks Barry Kenny has answered a raft of questions in the Irish Independent but has avoided some important facts

Question 1 is why are people writting to the Indo surely IE are meant to answer post emails etc ?

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Dear Sir,

Mr Kenny of Iarnród Éireann in his response to recent letters (April 24) is somewhat economical with the truth.

Punctuality standards for suburban trains in Ireland classify a train on time if it is no more than 10 minutes late, while elsewhere including Northern Ireland 5 minutes is the standard, if Iarnród Éireann fails to make the targets set there is no provision to refund or discount the fares of weekly, monthly or annual ticket holders as there is in the UK and Northern Ireland.

Mr Gallagher (April 8) is quite correct to pose the question of incompetence with respect to the provision of 8 coach DART's, there is in fact a 4 coach DART in service in the evening peak.

What Mr Kenny omitted in his response was that the continued shortage of 8 coach DART's is in part due the now 10 month delay in the 60 million euro DART refurbishment project. The date having been revised by Mr Kenny and his colleagues from the initial June 2005 to September then November then February, it is almost May and still no sign. The first batch of coaches left in December 2004 and a total of 20 (out of 76) have so far travelled to Leipzig and then onwards to Siemens in Prague.

Ms Early (April 15th) is quite correct to inquire about additional services from Sligo as currently there exists only one intercity service to Sligo per week (Friday 15:55) and one to Dublin (Sunday 15:45) all other services are operated by commuter trains ill suited to the 3 hour 5 minute journey. Despite new track and new signalling journey times increased between Dublin and Sligo by 7 minutes last year. All the hype Iarnród Éireann has placed on the new timetable is misplaced, there may be more trains but they are significantly less comfortable than those they replaced and the key measure, the daily number of seats has only increased by a fraction. Iarnród Éireann have steadfastly refused to admit that they have got it very badly wrong with respect to Dublin Sligo.

The most shocking indictment of all is why so many members of the public feel they must write to local and national newspapers with rail service queries and complaints, is it because it is Iarnród Éireann policy not to respond to email complaints, the failure to respond to many written queries or is it that those lucky enough to receive written responses may be left waiting up to 8 weeks?

Yours Sincerely

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http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...issue_id=13974

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Unread 28-04-2006, 08:55   #2
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Good letter Mark

It is encouraging to see the passenger issues side take precedence
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Unread 28-04-2006, 09:11   #3
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It was truly great this morning, I nabbed a seat on a DART and the person next to me was reading it. They only sell about 165,000 copies

Barry will write back and deny it but I think most of it is hard to twist its hard to deny the facts presented

The punctuality standard is hard to hide from we all know its screwed up

Sligo is a non brainer,
You can't deny it takes longer after the upgrade
You can't deny that the timetable only has 1 intercity service

DART is great fun

The 4 coach DART is train E252 the 17:35 Connolly Bray (yes we have the internal IE timetable)

The DARTs on holiday, thanks to the IRRS
8107/8307 8113/8313 8140/8340 shipped 15/12/2005
8123/8323 8124/8324 8131/8331 shipped 14/03/2005
8105/8305 8130/8330 8138/8338 8139/8339 shipped 24/04/2005

We think there are 20 coaches in total, none of the above 20 have been seen since the above dates. What we do know is the deal to provide the CCTV gear was only signed August 2nd 2005 for delivery September 05-06


Rail Manager Feb 2005, page 20

Mr Kenny admitted the delay in person to us and changed deadline to November.

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When are the majority of these units expected back?
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Well done Gleeson! Power to the people!

I'll keep an eye out for them. Will they have to undergo some sort of testing when they get back?

Cant see the Prague pic by the way,
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Unread 28-04-2006, 12:41   #6
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Will they have to undergo some sort of testing when they get back?
Considering the plan is to strip the coaches down to a shell and rebuild its basically a new train with loads of new pieces, new electronics a full commissioning phase will be required.
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When are the majority of these units expected back?
All 76 coaches where due to be back by December 2006, as of today I am aware of not one single coach which has returned, no way the deadline will be achieved which means a continuation of 6 coach DARTs for at least another year basically beyond what was orignally planned
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Unread 28-04-2006, 11:46   #8
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Great letter, fair play.
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Very, very good. Excellent.

Sick of all the smoke & mirrors

Fair play Mark.
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Strrrrike lol

You should post that on the Commuting/Transport Forum on boards.ie. Might convice someone <removed>. that P11 isn't "The Amiens St. Gang" anymore.

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So can someone post it here http://groups.msn.com/irishrailwayne...a ll_topics=1

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So can someone post it here http://groups.msn.com/irishrailwayne...a ll_topics=1

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Done and done
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Excellent letter Mark. Hits all the big points. Let's see what Mr. Kenny responds with. It's difficult to defend the indefensible, but he'll try.
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