Dublin Bus says new LUAS line could hamper services

comcor · 25-04-2006, 11:58

Dublin Bus says new LUAS line could hamper services
25/04/2006 - 12:11:05

Dublin Bus has claimed its services will be adversely affected if the expected route of the new LUAS line in Dublin is approved.

A number of proposed routes have been put forward for the planned link-up between the two existing tram lines in the city.

The one expected to get final approval would see new tracks being built from St Stephen's Green to O'Connell Street via Dawson St and College St.

Dublin Bus claims this would have a permanent effect on the viability of a number of bus services that currently use this area.

It said up to 35 bus stops would have to be removed and located elsewhere, while several routes would also have to be changed.

PaulM · 25-04-2006, 12:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dublin bus

It said up to 35 bus stops would have to be removed and located elsewhere, while several routes would also have to be changed.

Perhaps this will at last be enought to change it so they don't all go up O'Connell St. ....

markpb · 25-04-2006, 12:38

When they complained about this last, it wasn't O'Connell st. they were worried about but Nassau street which carries 1/3 (which seems too low to me) of the passengers each day. It's very hard to avoid without a complete re-think which seems unlikely.

On the upside, DCC infomed me this week that they're building a new orbital QBC from Ballymun to the Howth road along Santry Ave, Coolock Lane and Oscar Traynor road. Hopefully the 17A will have its service level upgraded when this happens. The beginning of a decent orbital service?

Mark Gleeson · 25-04-2006, 12:50

The obvious bus route is O'Connell Bridge Townsend Street, Westland Row, Merrion Square which is a lot quieter and has rail intergration

The two bus stops on the bottom of Grafton Street are going to disappear

James Shields · 25-04-2006, 14:11

One would hope that this might prompt the sort of review of routes that's really required. But I doubt it will.

Before BAC criticise the rerouting required by Luas works, but how many city centre streets do they tie up parking out of service busses?

I don't know if this comes from BAC or not, but this morning's Herald AM declared that over 30 bus stops would be moved "out of the city centre". I don't dispute that some intelligent rerouting will be required, but why should there be a need to move routes out of the city centre?

Personally I think the idea of terminating busses in the city centre is an outragous idea, and if all southside busses were twinned with a northside route and ran through the centre it would free up a lot of street space for busses to run more smoothly. But that's an argument for another day.

I can envision a scenario where a temporary rerouting becomes permanent when it works better than the original, like Stephen's Green.

markpb · 25-04-2006, 14:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostcarpark

Before BAC criticise the rerouting required by Luas works, but how many city centre streets do they tie up parking out of service busses?

Since DoT won't pay for a city centre bus depot, there's not much DB can do about this. The station at Jervis st might go some small way to alleviating that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostcarpark

Personally I think the idea of terminating busses in the city centre is an outragous idea, and if all southside busses were twinned with a northside route and ran through the centre it would free up a lot of street space for busses to run more smoothly. But that's an argument for another day.

Wouldn't that mean that the buses would become a lot more unpredictable as traffic one side of the city delays an incoming bus? If we had proper bus lanes and bus priority junctions, it wouldn't be an issue.

philip · 25-04-2006, 14:58

Alright, I'm no fan of CIE but the whole notion of terminating in town is due in no small part to a total lack of real bus priority measures. The buses running to town and back already have incredible difficulty keeping to timetable because of congestion and a lack of priority measures, so it would get even more difficult if they extended the routes without priority measures being implemented, and it's not their respnsibility to do that-FCC, DCC, SDCC and DLRCC all have to take the blame too. Some are better than others (FCC is pretty good of late) but DCC have done diddly squat to improve the 39 'QBC'

around Manor St despite BAC repeatedly asking for a contra flow buslane or closing the street to through traffic.

Edit: beat me to it markpb!

25-04-2006, 11:58	#1
comcor Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cork-Dublin, Cork Commuter and occasionally DART and Dublin-Wexford Posts: 855	Dublin Bus says new LUAS line could hamper services Dublin Bus says new LUAS line could hamper services 25/04/2006 - 12:11:05 Dublin Bus has claimed its services will be adversely affected if the expected route of the new LUAS line in Dublin is approved. A number of proposed routes have been put forward for the planned link-up between the two existing tram lines in the city. The one expected to get final approval would see new tracks being built from St Stephen's Green to O'Connell Street via Dawson St and College St. Dublin Bus claims this would have a permanent effect on the viability of a number of bus services that currently use this area. It said up to 35 bus stops would have to be removed and located elsewhere, while several routes would also have to be changed.

25-04-2006, 12:50	#4
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	The obvious bus route is O'Connell Bridge Townsend Street, Westland Row, Merrion Square which is a lot quieter and has rail intergration The two bus stops on the bottom of Grafton Street are going to disappear Last edited by Mark Gleeson : 25-04-2006 at 12:52.

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Email this Page	Search this Thread: Advanced Search
Display Modes
Switch to Linear Mode Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

25-04-2006, 12:38	#3
markpb Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 541	When they complained about this last, it wasn't O'Connell st. they were worried about but Nassau street which carries 1/3 (which seems too low to me) of the passengers each day. It's very hard to avoid without a complete re-think which seems unlikely. On the upside, DCC infomed me this week that they're building a new orbital QBC from Ballymun to the Howth road along Santry Ave, Coolock Lane and Oscar Traynor road. Hopefully the 17A will have its service level upgraded when this happens. The beginning of a decent orbital service?

25-04-2006, 14:11	#5
James Shields Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Drogheda, Ireland Posts: 1,275	One would hope that this might prompt the sort of review of routes that's really required. But I doubt it will. Before BAC criticise the rerouting required by Luas works, but how many city centre streets do they tie up parking out of service busses? I don't know if this comes from BAC or not, but this morning's Herald AM declared that over 30 bus stops would be moved "out of the city centre". I don't dispute that some intelligent rerouting will be required, but why should there be a need to move routes out of the city centre? Personally I think the idea of terminating busses in the city centre is an outragous idea, and if all southside busses were twinned with a northside route and ran through the centre it would free up a lot of street space for busses to run more smoothly. But that's an argument for another day. I can envision a scenario where a temporary rerouting becomes permanent when it works better than the original, like Stephen's Green.

25-04-2006, 14:58	#7
philip Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 632	Alright, I'm no fan of CIE but the whole notion of terminating in town is due in no small part to a total lack of real bus priority measures. The buses running to town and back already have incredible difficulty keeping to timetable because of congestion and a lack of priority measures, so it would get even more difficult if they extended the routes without priority measures being implemented, and it's not their respnsibility to do that-FCC, DCC, SDCC and DLRCC all have to take the blame too. Some are better than others (FCC is pretty good of late) but DCC have done diddly squat to improve the 39 'QBC' around Manor St despite BAC repeatedly asking for a contra flow buslane or closing the street to through traffic. Edit: beat me to it markpb!