Lets Discuss Another Metro Line That Will Never Happen!

Jamie2k9 · 06-04-2016, 20:33

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0406/779...ansport-plans/

Quote:

A new Metro South for Dublin that would link up with Metro North and provide a rail link from Swords to Bride's Glen is part of new transport plans.

The National Transport Authority's strategy sets out decisions for the next 20 years in the Greater Dublin Area and also includes Luas links to Finglas, Lucan, Bray and Poolbeg.

But the Metro West line once planned as an orbital route linking the airport with Tallaght is not included.

Plan Links
https://fe49d9ec8511d2dc0553-f8f415f... 6-2035-1.pdf

Mark Gleeson · 06-04-2016, 21:08

Thats the 2001 plan again....

James Shields · 11-04-2016, 15:51

While the Green Luas line is nominally built to Metro standard, it has a heap of road junctions. It seems rather pointless to have a Metro line that's completely grade separated from Swords to Stephen's green, but has to deal with road crossings south of that. Plus you would leave the extension to Broombridge orphaned.

My fantasy "Metro South" would continue underground at Stephens Green, heading south-west, under Harold's Cross, head south under Terenure, break ground west of Terenure and run as an elevated railway roughly following the path to the Dodder through Tempelogue before joining the N81 out to Tallaght, with potential for extension to Jobstown and Citywest.

Yes, that would potentially result in three rail routes terminating in Tallaght, but Tallaght and Swords both have large centres of population as well as significant industrial areas, so connecting both to the city centre, along with a lot of population centres not currently served by rail, makes a lot of sense.

Yes, I know it's a total fantasy route that will never happen, but we're all entitled to our fantasies.

Thomas J Stamp · 13-04-2016, 13:55

unless this thing is the same as a DART its not a metro, its a tram. it may be a big tram, but its a tram nonetheless.

its nice to see metromania resurface. I remember Mark and I walking the proposed Metro West route through Clondalkin and (AFAIR) we did a big write up on it in the members section at the time. It was always but a fantasy and it keep peoples attention for a few years before it was shelved, same as this one will be.

James Shields · 13-04-2016, 16:41

True, but a fully grade segregated tram will still be able to provide a faster and more frequent service than a tram with level crossings.

That said, I'm not sure what benefit low floor gives to Metro North. I was recently in Manchester and the trams there are all high floor, with high platforms.

Thomas J Stamp · 14-04-2016, 14:26

true, but ever since that time back in the day we really have been sold many things which aren't a metro, as a metro. plop a DART car, a tube car, NY subway car and Paris Metro car in a carpark beside what was being proposed before for Metro North/south/west and you'll spot the tram fairly quickly.

So, unless what's being put down on the track is a DART-a-like its a tram, not a Metro.

It reminds me of what happened to the city swift bus service. On introduction it was dedicated fleet of buses, with signal priority, special bus stops, improved routes. Within 5 years it was old buses with a repaint.

There is also within the plans not only an idea for Metro South, but an extension of the Luas to Bray.... How would that work, since they are on the same line? Who needs a Luas to Bray anyway? (developers)

Meanwhile all this Paul McKenna nonsense is being used to distract everyone from DART Underground.

Hows the BRT going these days?

Colm Moore · 17-04-2016, 11:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Shields

That said, I'm not sure what benefit low floor gives to Metro North. I was recently in Manchester and the trams there are all high floor, with high platforms.

There are two related issues.
* Level access (no vertical step between platform and carriage interior) - it means everyone can access the service (wheelchair users, prams, wheel suitcases) and better for everyone else as boarding and alighting is quicker and safer. Having straight or near-straight platforms reduces the horizontal gap between platform and carriage interior. Carriage suspension systems can be a frustrating factor.
* Low floor - this means it is compatible with existing infrastructure and new infrastructure can be put in place easily, with less need for ramps, lifts, etc.

06-04-2016, 21:08	#2
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Thats the 2001 plan again.... __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

13-04-2016, 13:55	#4
Thomas J Stamp Chairman/Publicity Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Home of Hurling Posts: 2,708	unless this thing is the same as a DART its not a metro, its a tram. it may be a big tram, but its a tram nonetheless. its nice to see metromania resurface. I remember Mark and I walking the proposed Metro West route through Clondalkin and (AFAIR) we did a big write up on it in the members section at the time. It was always but a fantasy and it keep peoples attention for a few years before it was shelved, same as this one will be. __________________ We are the passengers

14-04-2016, 14:26	#6
Thomas J Stamp Chairman/Publicity Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Home of Hurling Posts: 2,708	true, but ever since that time back in the day we really have been sold many things which aren't a metro, as a metro. plop a DART car, a tube car, NY subway car and Paris Metro car in a carpark beside what was being proposed before for Metro North/south/west and you'll spot the tram fairly quickly. So, unless what's being put down on the track is a DART-a-like its a tram, not a Metro. It reminds me of what happened to the city swift bus service. On introduction it was dedicated fleet of buses, with signal priority, special bus stops, improved routes. Within 5 years it was old buses with a repaint. There is also within the plans not only an idea for Metro South, but an extension of the Luas to Bray.... How would that work, since they are on the same line? Who needs a Luas to Bray anyway? (developers) Meanwhile all this Paul McKenna nonsense is being used to distract everyone from DART Underground. Hows the BRT going these days? __________________ We are the passengers

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11-04-2016, 15:51	#3
James Shields Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Drogheda, Ireland Posts: 1,275	While the Green Luas line is nominally built to Metro standard, it has a heap of road junctions. It seems rather pointless to have a Metro line that's completely grade separated from Swords to Stephen's green, but has to deal with road crossings south of that. Plus you would leave the extension to Broombridge orphaned. My fantasy "Metro South" would continue underground at Stephens Green, heading south-west, under Harold's Cross, head south under Terenure, break ground west of Terenure and run as an elevated railway roughly following the path to the Dodder through Tempelogue before joining the N81 out to Tallaght, with potential for extension to Jobstown and Citywest. Yes, that would potentially result in three rail routes terminating in Tallaght, but Tallaght and Swords both have large centres of population as well as significant industrial areas, so connecting both to the city centre, along with a lot of population centres not currently served by rail, makes a lot of sense. Yes, I know it's a total fantasy route that will never happen, but we're all entitled to our fantasies.

13-04-2016, 16:41	#5
James Shields Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Drogheda, Ireland Posts: 1,275	True, but a fully grade segregated tram will still be able to provide a faster and more frequent service than a tram with level crossings. That said, I'm not sure what benefit low floor gives to Metro North. I was recently in Manchester and the trams there are all high floor, with high platforms.