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![]() this was coming since in one of his replies to PQ's in the Dail, Minister Varadkar mentioned a DART to the Airport in passing. Its the little things you have to look out for.
interesting line - "there would be no need to buy extra trains" - hopefully this is in the context of DART2 and DART Underground and not otherwise. This crosses Metro North off Varadkars beauty contest, still leaves DART Underground fighting Luas interconnecter. |
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![]() No reason why this can't be extended to Swords and perhaps even onto Ashbourne in the longer term.
Swords and the airport were always the big selling points for Metro North. The case for Ballymun and DCU was no better than the case for many other rail projects and probably couldn't have justified the extra money. I suppose the question becomes about the capacity of the Northern Line and it may be necessary to rexamine the idea of Howth-Howth Junction being a connection rather than a direct destination as a consequence. |
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![]() The no new trains is simply achieved by killing the direct Howth service and heavily cutting back on Malahide and using the surplus in the current fleet. Clearly that is not acceptable as Malahide can fill an 8 coach DART to standing several times an hour
It is not a runner unless 4 tracks are provided across the northside and indeed the interconnector tunnel is in place also. In time terms the 748 bus can make it from Dublin Airport to Connolly station in under 25 minutes, best the DART could do (without 4 tracks) is 27-30 minutes, with 4 tracks 18 minutes. Irish Rail's plans clearly indicate non stop Connolly Airport with 4 tracks The assessment (2004/5 ish) quoted 350-450 million depending on over or underground approach to Dublin airport, but an annual carrying of 4.6-5.4 million i.e 13-15k a day not 10k. On the positive side it would on its own make enough to bank roll the entire Dublin commuter network About 2 months back RUI made a submission to the NTA with respect to the 2030 vision document, based on meetings with people on the Northern Irish side with respect to Belfast and the new EU transport policy and knowing Irish Rail has been told that 4 tracks can't be done from Rahney to Howth Junction, we proposed an alternative loosely phrased as Interconnector phase 2 Quote:
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![]() As a proposal, it's pretty good, but presumably it would cost quite an amount of money and take some time.
In the shorter term, are there many stations that could be quad tracked through the stations to allow InterCity and Commuter trains to pass DARTs? I would imagine Clontarf Rd and Howth Junction. Also, possibly Raheny and Kilbarrack if you moved them from their current location? I haven't travelled through Clongriffen since it opened. I assume it was only built with 2 lines through? Last edited by comcor : 03-05-2011 at 13:49. Reason: Said Harmonstown when I meant Clongriffen |
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![]() Irish Rail's reports favour 2 tracks on western side. 3 tracks possible within existing boundary. 4 tracks would require land acquisition. Every station and bridge would need to be rebuilt
The problem is Rahney to North of Howth Junction, there was no way to reasonably fit 4 tracks, only 3. Now the proposals suggested grade separation at Howth Junction. The Airport spur would be grade separated and merge just north of Clongriffen which is built with 4 platform already The scale of disruption required would be immense and that is a serious concern Should be noted the DART, 29000, ICR and Mk4 fleets are all designed to cat B fire standards and can operate in long tunnels. All you have to worry about is ventilation. Cost wise to get 4 tracks in to Clongriffen would be 600+ million, add 400 million to get to the Airport and some extra trains say 100 million you are already 1.1 billion down, add in 4 tracks to Donabate could be another 400 million. But your airport spur is 8km the wrong way so a very slow route if you want to do Ballbriggan Airport Dublin its out as is Dublin Belfast via Airport as it adds 16km to the journey Our tunnel option plus the loop back towards Rush and Lusk would be ballpark 2 billion, but its direct and avoids the need to grade separate Howth Junction, dig up Killester Donabate, avoids Malahide Esturary and provides a new service from north of the Airport. Best of all in distance terms its 2-3km extra at most but without the curves or traffic of the existing route so you can fly along at full speed. All Ballbriggan/Drogheda/Dundalk/Belfast would divert via tunnel. DART from Rush and Lusk on existing route. P&R and interchange at Rush and Lusk Ignoring the complexities in isolation the spur doesn't work you need 4 track and interconnector and if you are going to go that far you might as well get the full package
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![]() If Dessie Ellis is worried about jobs from Metro North, we should not use TBMs but rather navvies.
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![]() on RTE news website...
Metro North has been given the go-ahead by An Bord Pleanála despite doubts about the future of the project Metro North has been given the final go-ahead despite doubts about the future of the project. The Rail Procurement Agency was given permission for a 16.5-km track from St Stephen's Green to Swords last October. But An Bord Pleanála had shortened the proposed route and asked that the rail depot be moved from Belinstown north of Swords to Dardistown south of Dublin Airport. Today the board approved revised plans which would also involve permission for acquisition of lands. Two plots are occupied by sports clubs Na Fianna and Whitehall Rangers. There is also land owned by Fingal County Council used as an aircraft viewing area and land belonging to the Dublin Airport Authority. The permission will last for 10 years meaning these lands and others along the route cannot be developed by anyone else in the meantime. It is reported that Transport Minister Leo Varadkar will announce before the end of the year the postponement of both Metro North and the Underground DART - the combined cost is estimated at €5 billion. But the Rail Procurement Agency is reported to have already spent €200 million on the Metro project and is now due to select a winning bid to build and operate Metro North from two competing consortiums Celtic Metro and Metro Express. It is also understood the successful company would be entitled to compensation if the project is deferred. Mr Varadkar recently announced that the Metro West project would not be going through the planning process. |
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![]() Indeed we always retain the right not to accept any offer at all.
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