Lack of staff on intercity trains...

[MrX]

I just had one of the most unpleasant Intercity journies of my entire life, not due to a bad train but due to out of control passengers.

7:30pm MK3 service Cork-Dublin (1/08/2006)

The train started off in Cork not overloaded and everything was quite pleasant.. As the journey went on this group of what I could only describe as drunken yobs got on. They drank to the point that they weren't even able to stand up and then lit up cigerettes in the middle of the coach.

Someone challenged them and was just threatened violently.

I ended up leaving the coach and standing between carriages for the rest of the journey.

It's not the first time that I've seen passengers way way too drunk on board IE trains. If they're going to continue to serve alcohol the very least they could do is supervise the passengers.

It's irresponsible on IE's behalf and it's also hypocritical considering how strictly they can inforce no drinking on commuter/dart trains!

Perhaps drinking should be confined to the dining car?

It seems insane that they will allow someone to drink a six pack at their own seat.

[Donal Quinn]

i've posted on this before

totally agree - i've had experience where there was IE staff whom i complained to and he just walked passed them

also i'm always careful to check that there isn't a dublin football game on the route - near got my head kicked in by hill 16's finest a few years back

it is pathetic and i accept that when violence is threatened IE staff shouldn't have to risk life and limb but they should be coordinating with the garda.

imagine - trian leaves dublin with jimmy's stag party in full voice. passengers complain directly and are threatened, go to IE staff who are also threatened. garda in portarlington are contacted - they're prepared for this sort of thing. IE staff use PA system to tell jimmy that our heroes are on the way. train stops and ringleaders are removed and the rest told that there's more garda waiting in athlone... ahhhh


in the meantime i would say to everyone that if you see someone challenging these types then back them up straight away - and encourage others (peacefully of course). it makes a huge difference if there's a group.

[MrX]

I was on a TGV a few years ago and a bunch of "Lads" from England got into a similar state drunk, disorderly, falling around the place, smoking etc.

The ticket inspector said absolutely nothing and just walked through the coach. About 10 to 15 mins later we made an unscheduled stop. Armed Police entered the coach from both sides. The guys were cuffed, read their rights and dragged off onto the platform where there was an awaiting police van.

The behaviour wasn't tollerated any more than it would have been on a flight.

[Oisin88]

Originally Posted by Donalq

also i'm always careful to check that there isn't a dublin football game on the route - near got my head kicked in by hill 16's finest a few years back

Hey, yobs from any county would be just as bad. Lucky there is no train to Armagh/Tyrone.

Originally Posted by Donalq

imagine - trian leaves dublin with jimmy's stag party in full voice.

More of it. If he was from Dublin he'd be Jimmo.

I've been on plenty of trains where there has been drinking and no real trouble. Howevr, even sober people have a habit of smoking out the window at the end, or popping out at a stop to smoke. Part of the problem is that the air supply for breathing in the carriages seems to be above the door. Everyone in the carriage gets a passive smoke and when smoker gets back to his seat the smell is mostly gone.

Not going to pull the alarm for that but it would be nice if there was some way of dealing with it.

[Thomas J Stamp]

Any regular visitor to this site will know that both Derek and myself are long-time Dublin supporters and i still stand on the hill.

The best and most fondly rememberd incident of Dublin supporters aggrivating a train was when the energency cord was pulled on the way back form Wexford some years back. There was a special with no drink on, and the regular service with a bar. Guess which one had the energincy cord pulled?

I posted on the old board about my experiance with the 1999 leauge final in Cork, special train on the way down was strictly enforeced drink free AND WAS ADVERTISED AS SUCH. There were a lot of families on that train. All the regular services to cork ran with bars open, everyone eho wanted to get drunk duely did so. On the way back, everyone, including the drunks, those with no tickets and those carrying big flagons of cider, were allowed onto the so-called drink free special train. It was chaos, and so was Connolly, where the temporary ramps to the DART platforms nearly collapsed.

There are no drinks allowed on trains to Kilkenny. Wonder why. A small bottle of Bud is over €4 on a train and they know they will drink the bar dry when there is a football match.

Oh, just to show it's not just the Dubs. John 3:16 had his famous board ripped off of him and thrown out of a train window. It was Tipp -v- Clare.

IE sell drink on intercity trains. They allow people to bring on as much drink as they like, after getting jarred in the bars in Connolly and Heuston. If the owner of a pub allowed thay he would be summonsed to the local district court. IE only sell it to print money off it. Maybe with the new DMU's it'll change, doubt it, though.

[Oisin88]

Oh, just to show it's not just the Dubs. John 3:16 had his famous board ripped off of him and thrown out of a train window. It was Tipp -v- Clare

You wouldn't need to be sober or a yob to do this.

[Oisin88]

The ideal thing would be for different match day specials to have different "rules"
i.e a family train, a non-drinking train and a drinkers train. Clear information and enforcement and everybodies happy.

Apparently my sister was saying that the LUAS was mobbed with Cork people on Saturday and Sunday who had parked in the park and ride at the red cow. If they could have parked in their local station and taken a match special, we would have been spared from having to see them on the LUAS!

[Mark Gleeson]

First problem is the drink is brought onboard by the troublemakers

There is always a member of staff onboard a intercity train, head for buffet coach the guard should be in the coach behind the first class coach on each train, otherwise the buffet staff can PA him to the location

If any member of staff refuses to take action, ask for there name and home depot and that you will file a formal complaint that he failed in his/her duty to ensure the safety of the passengers on the train. Otherwise at the next station get out and refuse to allow the door to be closed.

If things get really rough pull the communication cord, a emergency brake application should be enough to destabilise anyone standing with a few beers. Not a good idea in a confined space if you think about it. Note the communication cord on the new MK4/CDE trains does NOT apply the brakes it just triggers an alarm for the train manager who decides if a stop is required

Unless you have a little army unit with you there is little point challenging any trouble makers with drink and possibly drugs involved it will get messy