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![]() If it is the case that a connection between the afternoon Dublin – Waterford and Waterford – Rosslare Europort train genuinely cannot be physically facilitated, does this not infer a need to reconfigure signalling/platform layout at Waterford Plunkett?
Equally – as I believe was already excellently suggested by another poster in this forum some time ago – would a second platform at Wexford O’Hanrahan better meet traffic requirements than the loop to the north of the station? Alternatively the existing platform could be worked as two separate platforms with possible lengthening of same. |
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![]() There is no problem in Waterford, only last week I was onboard a Limerick Junc - Rosslare service which was able to use the main Waterford platform when a Dublin train was present on the main platform, no problems no fuss. In reality this is a routine event as the train leaves Limerick Junction late due to the train from Dublin being late.
There is a crossover about half way down which splits the platform in half a bit like the way Limerick Junction used to be. Its not a technical problem its an attitude problem, if the 4 trains a day had been maintained the connection with the Dublin train towards Rosslare would be in since 10 minutes was cut off most Dublin - Waterford services. No need for a second platform at Wexford, there is a loop north of the station. The cost would be 5+ million to meet accessibility standards. The new signaling allows for a train to start/terminate from Dublin.
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The present station building is listed and would have an alternative commercial use in a redesign as it fronts onto Redmond Square. I'm not aware fo any other railway station within 30 seconds of a Dunnes Stores and 100 M of the main shoppiing street. Land should be re-zoned for a potential freight yard near the town by-pass where trucks can access it easily. I made these points to both planners and IE management when they met WBC to discuss the future of Rosslare Harbour in the contxt of the withdrawl of P&O in 2005. I was told that GB freight wouldn't handle the then volumes IE were doing in freight and that freight had no future in Wexford. |
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![]() Cllr Ryan - what is Wexford Town Council willing to offer IE to incentivise them to make the changes you want, either in land, money or facilities?
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![]() Cllr Joe Ryan's piece is nonsensical, the last thing we need is a new station in Wexford - it would probably be a replica of the 'thing' at Rosslare Harbour. There is no need for car parking at Wexford but there is a need for a properly marketed rail service to and from Waterford, Dublin etc and if politicians like him don't get off their.....hinds they needn't worry about a new railway station as the rail service will have been removed.
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I don't know whether you're referring to the former Europort station at Rosslare where passengers could get a meal or the new station (or nowhere port as its called by some locals) at Rosslare Harbour. On the point of incentivising Irish Rail to develop freight, Its clear to me that IE have no interest in developing freight. Incentivising an organisation where there is no will is not the optimal use of resources and time. Its also clear that a political decision nees to be made now on the matter and not a business one. If the will is there on the part of the minister then it can be so. Last edited by Cllr Joe Ryan : 17-11-2009 at 00:06. |
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![]() Councillor - my post/question did not mention freight. What is Wexford Town Council willing to contribute to the improvement of passenger services, specifically your proposal for the station?
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I was, of course, referring to the new station at Rosslare Harbour - what have the Labour party, specifically Brendan Howlin, done about it? It is disgraceful and is all part of CIE/IEs plan to cut the service back to Wexford and perhaps Gorey/Arklow next. As for carparking at Wexford station, that was part of my ruse to see if I could coax you out of your shell. ![]() Moving the bus station at Waterford was another classic bit of CIE/IE/BE forward planning. Now the IE station has no public bar, buffet, parcels or left luggage facilities - a pitifully small shop which opens periodically and a windswept platform area. A large number of plush new offices for clerical/managerial staff are being provided in the revamped 'attractive' main terminal building. What's to be done about CIE/IE/BE - I don't see Labour or any of its potential coalition partners offering any well thought out proposals? |
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![]() I don't favour the Bus Éireann stop being relocated unless it is to a purpose built integrared bus/rail interchange with easy and safe access to the town centre.I certainly don't advocate the bus stop being relocated to some far flung spot with cars taking its place. Clearly there is a need for car parking too but from my observations when rail stations are upgraded in Ireland the only focus is on car parking with no thought given to bus interchange. (There are of course a few exceptions). Certainly there is a case for a proper bus station/rail station interchange at Wexford - not only for Bus Éireann but for Wexford Bus and Ardcavan coaches. The Wexford Bus stops are outside Dunnes and opposite Dunnes.
I see it as a positive for the town that the buses and trains stop so close to the town centre. There may be scope for a bus station-car park complex on the far side of the tracks connected by a walkway to the existing station but I'd like to see the train station retained where it is. There's probably no ideal solution and any change is several years away in the current climate. A freight yard (I presume near Ferrycarrig?) is an excellent idea. |
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![]() You got there before me! Even the weekly circulars are delivered by registered mail/courier and the occasional, intimidated foreign national IE employee. There is no freight on the DSER and there hasn't been any general traffic since the ending of the containerised sundries service - almost 30 years ago I think.
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![]() Anyone who throws freight into the argument is really grasping at straws. Rosslare is a RO-RO port no chance of any transfer of freight. Waterford has it tied up in the container business. Rosslare line is limited to 8'6" containers all the way to Dublin, 9'6" is the big thing at the moment which is permitted elsewhere on the network where container trains run. Unless someone starts a mine in Wexford there is no hope of freight, even if there was it only pays its marginal costs so it really doesn't make a contribution to the bottom line.
Wexford doesn't need a new station, it need trains to serve the station For the record the average number of foot passengers per ferry service at Rosslare is 6, compared to the 1000+ per morning in the dark days in 1950's, hardly worth chasing in any respect
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