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12-01-2007, 22:04 | #1 | |
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Northern line (Dublin) 2007 timetable issues
Below is a complaint received by P11 in relation to the Drogheda commuter line. I think it poses some interesting points.
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12-01-2007, 22:25 | #2 |
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What's the problem? The three trains in question all go non-stop to Skerries after leaving Connolly. Surely it's OK for some trains to go non-stop and some to call at each station? Limited-stop services are important in driving demand to more distant locations, as it gives (or should give!) a more favourable journey time...especially on slow-to-stop-and-start-again DMUs
I don't know the recent population increases around Rush and Lusk too well but it seems that just adding the population of two towns and assuming that should mean better service is a little imprecise when it comes to setting timetables. Passenger demand, not to mention the catchment area of the station (i.e. 5000 people in a town that extends a square mile from a station is different to 5000 people spread over ten square miles!) would be an issue here. The fact that the station is called "Rush and Lusk" and the census areas of the towns of Rush and Lusk add to a certain number doesn't, in and of itself, mean that there is enough demand to justify the change...IÉ says that Rush town is 2 miles from the station, so it's optimistic naming anyway... On the other hand, the 1713 does stop at all stations on Saturdays so maybe that one could try an all-stop service on weekdays and see what impact it has? Surely worth a try? |
13-01-2007, 04:40 | #3 |
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Of note, "nobody" lives at Rush-Lusk Station whereas Skerries Station, actually is in Skerries.
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13-01-2007, 09:27 | #4 |
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1713 Pearse - Dundalk
That service must be one of the most crowded services on the network. Unless the 1650 Connolly-Belfast, which now calls at Dundalk, relieves some of the pressure off the 1713 service, I think stopping the 1713 at any more stations would just make things worse. It might mean that Dundalk/Drogheda passengers would simply not get on the service at Connolly.
I would like to see some northbound services terminate at the likes of Skerries (which has a working siding), and head back into town (possibly empty, or as an express) for the evening peak to relieve some of the pressure. The 1707 ex Connolly terminates at Balbriggan @ 1745. This forms the 1807 Balbriggan to Pearse arriving it at 18.49. If they did something similar with an earlier service, say around 1650 ex Connolly (I know it would clash with the Belfast Enterprise), and cut the turnaround time (from the exisiting 22 mins to 5 mins), this could lead to the service arriving back into Pearse @ 18.15, which catches the tail end of the evening peak. It's the usual supply situation - A Pearse to Drogheda service is 50% empty by Balbriggan (note: this may still mean every seat is taken). If you terminated this service there, ran it back into town, he might help relieve the overcrowding on the peak services. However, I think on this one, IE are in a bit of a no win situation. Until someone can press IE to extend the DART to Balbriggan, ahead of the interconnector being built, this problem will only worsen. |
13-01-2007, 10:14 | #5 |
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The 17:13 is already so overcrowed that IE added a few years back the 17:07 which does call at Rush & Lusk as well as Donabate. So not really a issue if a train is already full to the point its horribly overcrowded it would result in a even worse experience for the 1250 on that train, given a separate train is provided no justification can be made since it would be contrary to the passenger interest
Trains are already overcrowded and short running of train doesn't help since Ballbriggan is the turnback you can't get the train back in time to make another useful trip The only othernorthern line outbound trains which don't call at Rush and Lusk can't call since there is a enterprise talling them or you could stop everywhere and park in Skerries for 10 minutes to allow the enterprise to pass, thats 2 out 25+ trains making 3 in total Last edited by Mark Gleeson : 13-01-2007 at 10:24. |
13-01-2007, 16:28 | #6 |
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Re Northern route
Could you explain to me what differance you all hope the DART will give.on the northern line.
At present the line is similar to Connolly-Pearse it is fast runnig out of space and also look athe kildare route they now need a seconftrack. Second and I am open to correction.But the last time i looked the power for a dart it came from the roof throught the OHLE with the rail car it came from an engine under the carriage.No major jump in space on board.Yes i hear all the debate about saving the earth with using clean energy but i think you will all be open to a let down |
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