Pelletstown (D7/15) station PP application

[drouse]

DUBLIN CITY COUNCIL

We Iarnród Éireann Intend to apply for: PERMISSION for development at this site: Pelletstown, Royal Canal Avenue, Dublin 7.

The development will consist of: Construction of a new railway station incorporating, 2no 174m long x 3m wide passenger platforms either side of the Sligo to Dublin railway line.

A footbridge spanning the railway connecting the proposed platforms, with 2no staircases and 2no ramps of a gradient of 1:20.

Platforms to incorporate, lighting, CCTV, ticket vending machines, railings, seating, shelters, commercial advertising, driver operating monitors, public address, customer information signs, directional and station signage.

Construction of a footbridge over the Royal Canal to provide access from Royal Canal Avenue.

Construction of stepped and ramped access from Ashington Park.

Installation of street lighting to footpaths extending from the proposed access at Ashington Park.

Clearing of existing vegetation between the park and the railway. Partial demolition of the existing boundary wall and installation of new sections of boundary wall at the ends of the platform. Landscaping between the park and the rear of the proposed new platform.

Installation of a dedicated pedestrian and cycle path across the park including disabled parking bays at Ashington Park.

Installation of street lighting to bridge over the Royal Canal as well as the immediate vicinity of Royal Canal Avenue where required.

Partial demolition of the existing boundary fence along the canal and installation of new sections of boundary fencing at the ends of the platform.

Landscaping between the canal and the rear of the proposed new platform. Installation of an ESB kiosk at Royal Canal Avenue. Construction of a Telecoms Equipment Room at the eastern end of the proposed platforms with access road from Ratoath Road.

The total works involved cover an area of approx. 2200 sq m of plan area, and approx 20 linear meters of street frontage.

The Planning Application may be inspected or purchased at a fee not exceeding the reasonable cost of making a copy at the Offices of Dublin City Council during its public opening hours and a submission or observation in relation to the application may be made to the Authority in writing on payment of a prescribed fee within the period of 5 weeks beginning on the date of receipt by the Authority of the application.

Posted: 24/01/2013

[karlr42]

Given that money has not been made available yet for the road overbridge in the vicinity, what are the chances of the money for this actually being stumped up any time soon?

[eugene]

Update on Reillys Bridge here..

http://www.neighbours.ie/forums/show...rossing-update

[Colm Moore]

Planning Application Reference: 2109/13 Documents not available on-line yet.

http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apa...esults%3C/a%3E

Full Development Description

Construction of a new railway station incorporating, 2no 174m long x 3m wide passenger platforms either side of the Sligo to Dublin railway line. A footbridge spanning the railway connecting the proposed platforms, with 2no staircases and 2no ramps of a gradient of 1:20. Platforms to incorporate lighting, CCTV, ticket vending machines, railings, seatings, shelters, commercial advertising, driver operating monitors, public address, customer information signs, directional and station signage. Construction of a footbridge over the Royal Canal to provide access from Royal Canal Avenue. Construction of stepped and ramped access from Ashington Park. Installation of street lighting to footpaths extending from the proposed access at Ashington Park. Clearing of existing vegetation between the park and the railway. Partial demolition of the existing boundary wall and installation of new sections of boundary wall at the ends of the platform. Landscaping between the park and the rear of the proposed new platform. Installation of a dedicated pedestrian and cycle path across the park including disabled parking bays at Ashington Park. Installation of street lighting to bridge over the Royal Canal as well as the immediate vicinity of Royal Canal Avenue where required. Partial demolition of the existing boundary fence along the canal and installation of new sections of boundary fencing at the ends of the platform. Landscaping between the canal and the rear of the proposed new platform. Installation of an ESB kiosk at Royal Canal Avenue. Construction of a Telecoms Equipment room at the eastern end of the proposed platforms with access road from Ratoath Road. The total works involved cover an area of approx. 2200 sqm of plan area, and approx 20 linear metres of street frontage.

[dowlingm]

What's the source of funds for this project?

[Colm Moore]

The drawings still aren't on-line, so I took a look at them in the council offices today.

This should give the general layout: http://www.dublincity.ie/LocationPub...tureid=2109/13 You may need to click on the "thumb tack" icon on the left hand side.

Essentially, it is an unmanned station, with ticket barriers. Two platforms, a bridge and steps and long ramps to the bridge. There is a second bridge across the canal and a footpath/cyclepath from Ashington Avenue to the south entrance to the station. It will be about 1km from Ashtown and Broombridge stations and a few hundred metres west of Reilly's Bridge. The footbridge will be public - it will reduce the walking/cycling distance from Ashington Park to Royal Canal Park, Dublin Industrial Estate and Finglas by approximately 3km.

Approximate location of proposed bridge over canal: https://maps.google.ie/maps?q=Ashing...,183.4,,0,4.75

Approximate location of start of footpath/cyclepath from Ashington Avenue to the south entrance to the station: https://maps.google.ie/maps?q=Ashing...51. 27,,0,6.3

Concerns would be that:
* It will be unmanned and indeed unmannable - the fear it would turn into another Broombridge.
* It makes no attempt to join with Dublin Bus routes 120 or 122.
* The entrance to the south is across parkland for 150 metres.
* I'm not certain the ramps 'work'.
* The entrance to the north is relatively undeveloped.

[karlr42]

Looks like that might generate a bunch of resident objections from within , can't say I blame them.

Why is it unmannable? No room for a station building? I agree that's definitely a problem given the area.

Also, it's kind of a shame, this will slow down trains a lot, it's placed on one of the few stretches of track between Clonsilla and Connolly where trains reach a decent speed.

[Colm Moore]

Originally Posted by karlr42

Why is it unmannable? No room for a station building?

There is room for a station building. They just aren't proposing one.

[James Howard]

The effect of this on the already slow running times on Maynooth / Longford / Sligo services will be to stick yet another 2 minutes onto every train. Why is another station needed so close to another two stations?

This might make sense on an electrified line but not when they are using intercity railcars to provide short-range commuter services.

[Inniskeen]

So we now have two additional planned stations between Dublin and Clonsilla in addition to the little used Navan Road Parkway station.

Continually adding stations on a double track railway not only slows down services, it reduces overall track capacity and results in degraded longer distance services. Looks like the same ill-considered process that has messed up the northern and south eastern lines is in the process of being repeated on the Maynooth/Sligo line.

Additional stations don't necessarily generate net additional business and can also have the effect of increasing operational costs or reducing reliability as longer jouney times means either shorter turn-around times or more rolling stock and crew to maintain a service which for the majority of users is now slower and less attractive than previously.

[joey]

get it built!!

[ThomasJ]

Is there any possible argument for pellotstown replacing broombridge with the appropriate infrastructure and easy accessibilty linking the old and new station or has the plans for the new dit sports arena and luas terminus ruled this out?

[Colm Moore]

Originally Posted by ThomasJ

Is there any possible argument for pellotstown replacing broombridge with the appropriate infrastructure and easy accessibilty linking the old and new station or

If Pelletstown was built at Reilly's Bridge, that would be a fear. However, as it is a bit past Reilly's Bridge, the two stations don't really have the same catchment area. Pelletstown access is largely dictated by Ashington Avenue and Royal Canal Avenue, whereas Broombridge is dictated by Broombridge Road. The only meaningful connection between the two is the canal path - going via Ballyboggan Road adds about 500m and a large hill.

The current dul de sac nature of Ashington mean that part of it is a 3.2km walk to Broombridge, while it is only 700m as the crow flies: http://maps.google.ie/maps?saddr=Unk...a=ltm&t=m&z=15

has the plans for the new dit sports arena and luas terminus ruled this out?

I had suggested to them that, if they wanted, they could extend Luas to Reilly's Bridge, if they were to also build a station there. It would mean breaking the current pattern of behaviour at Broombridge, but maintaining service.

[drouse]

All planning documents (plans, drawings, reports, etc.) are now available on the Dublin City Council planning website-

http://www.dublincity.ie/AniteIMWebS...r1_ref=2109/13

[dowlingm]

Can't imagine RPA being happy with any notion of Broombridge being replaced?

[Inniskeen]

The idea of closing Broombridge and extending the Luas line to the proposed Pelletstown station seems thoroughly sensible although probably impractical unless the Luas line was to deviate dramatically from the present approved route.

More generally the NTA needs to answer a number of questions in relation to future strategy for the various lines in the Dublin area. (Not particularly relevant to the Cork line due to dedicated slow lines and minimal inner suburban traffic).

What are the criteria for the construction of a new station ? How is the affect on existing services and patronage quantified ? Is it considered at all ?

If there are another two or three high density developments between Ashtown and Clonsilla do these all get stations ? How much extra time will be added to existing journeys ? Does it matter ? Can the Sligo service survive if it takes 45 minutes to get to Maynooth ? An hour ?

Looking at the proposed elevations for Pelletstown I can well understand that the locals mightn't be overly enamored - the station does not look like a particularly aesthetic addition to the landscape.

[Colm Moore]

Signalling and removing level crossings would improve journey time. Having a third track for a few km between Maynooth and Glasnevin would allow fast trains to pass stopping trains. There are already three-four tracks for the distance from Glasnevin to Connolly.

The only scope for additional stations are:

Ballybough (depends on whether the track is straight enough) http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,716805,735987,7,3

Glasnevin: http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,715113,736359,7,3

Porterstown: http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,706068,737773,7,3

There just might be space for a Luas stop in Cabra: http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,714057,736756,6,3 but access and distance to public roads are issues. It is unlikely the area would ever be developed.

[drouse]

The Decision Notices and the Planner's Report are now available on-

http://www.dublincity.ie/AniteIMWebS...?grdResultsP=4

In short, the decision of DCC requires further information from the applicant (Iarnród Éireann) on various aspects of the planning application.

[Colm Moore]

Permission granted

http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apa...esults%3C/a%3E

Decision: GRANT PERMISSION
Decision Date: 23-Oct-2013
Type Short Desc
Condition 1. Standard Permission Condition including Further Information (26th September 2013)

Condition 2. The proposed train station and footbridges bridges shall be as proposed in the drawings as originally received by the planning authority on the 31 January 2013

Condition 3. The open and accessible nature of the train station shall be reviewed regularly

Condition 4. The station and footbridges shall be of high quality and durable materials and finishes.

Condition 5. The following requirements of the City Councils Roads and Traffic Planning Division shall be fully complied with in the proposed development:

Condition 6. The following requirements of the City Councils Drainage Division shall be fully complied with in the proposed development:

Condition 7. The final design of the proposed development, including relevant operational, environmental and property matters, shall be agreed with Waterways Ireland prior to the construction phase

Condition 8. The landscaping along the northern boundary between the park (at Ashington) and the railway line shall be reconfigured and re-landscaped at the applicants expense

Condition 11. The following requirements of the City Councils Air Quality and Noise Pollution Control Unit shall be fully complied with in the development:


Condition C340 Hours of Work (see Development Plan para 15.37.0)

Condition C350 Noise Levels

Condition C370 Street Cleaning during Demolition and Construction

Condition Before this development commences, a financial contribution in the sum of Euro shall be paid by the Applicant to Dublin City Council under Section 48 of the Planning and Development Acts 2000-2011.

[joey]

With the broombridge luas connector starting (no sign yet) I doubt this will ever be built, let's be honest.