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Money or no money for additional services it is increasingly apparent that there is an overwhelming antipathy towards this line and others amongst the powers that be. |
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What most people forget is an extra service also requires a return service at a minimum and its costly. Surly IE could squeeze in an extra DART from Graystones at peak hours is is the single track at capacity? Its also very hard to buy the councils argument, if they did more research and provided evidence an extra service would free up the N11 they may have a case. |
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![]() Its possible to get a 0815 arrival at Connolly, that would require a further train southwards in the evening
The reality is Bray Greystones is a huge risk and any delay has serious impacts. Best option is to make the current trains longer, no extra staff costs
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Not sure what increasingly apparent evidence there is of antipathy towards the line you think there is - the reality is that there’s no spare rolling stock to operate an extra peak hour service. |
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The council should work with the NTA to make the case as they will be funding any extra service. Quote:
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![]() Bray - Greystones can handle two DARTs in each direction per hour plus up to two additional services, which are normally used for the DSE Line services) - that’s the max operationally that you would deem possible.
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![]() Its 2 DART + 1, actually as a DART would occupy a platform at Greystones
You could have 6 trains an hour in a single direction, probably even 8 but thats no help. Extra trains are not happening, a few extra carriages on the current services, which already have very attractive timings.
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![]() On 1st June the Rosslare line is dealt another blow with the introduction of a new bus route (with up to nine services in each direction daily) by a private operator Gorey - Arklow - Wicklow - city - Airport.
Business has already been abstracted in my opinion (and that of many others) by the Local Link bus at the Rosslare end. The NTA come across as increasingly pro-bus and clearly appear to have no will to improve rural/regional rail. Closure by stealth? |
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The Local Link services are an important addition across the country and frankly should have happened years ago. I’m not sure how you think Wexford Bus can be stopped from adding a commercial bus service? |
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![]() The N11 corridor has become a very busy commuter route. Sadly the railway is now barely relevant due to poor service frequency, limited seating capacity and tediously slow journey times especially on the portion of the route shared with DART. It appears more likely to be partially closed than developed.
What is the strategy for the line ? Does either the operator or the NTA have any vision or ambition for the future ? The contrast with the Belfast/Derry line is instructive, similar length, similar infrastructure. One is booming, the other limps on with little promise of improvement. |
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It would require a massive investment to upgrade the line to Rosslare to double track it as far as Enniscorthy and avoid being slowed down by the DART. People make pretty simple travel decisions based on what they know about the available options. If there's a quick train option into Dublin, they will use it. If it's quicker to go by road they will do that instead. Last edited by Eddie : 26-05-2018 at 07:46. |
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![]() Eddie: Belfast to Coleraine is single track from about 6 miles outside Belfast. (It used to be double as far as Ballymena). What makes the present service on the Derry line so good is the absence of a very intensive and slow suburban service like the DART getting in the way of everything.
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That means you just need 30km of single track to be laid between Dublin and Greystones (with the odd passing place), cutting the investment required significantly to get the significant benefit improvements to the rest of the line. Last edited by Eddie : 26-05-2018 at 09:29. |
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![]() In fact Belfast to Coleraine has a half-hourly service during the morning and evening peak !
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