I was told by a ticket officer on the Rosslare service that the Rosslare line will not get a totally direct change on its daily services. He was telling me that the existing 13.05 might stay the way it is with a new 22k train but not the 18.35 and the morning service this afternoon train will be taken from a Sligo service and a 2800 class train will be swapped. I thought IE ordered more railcars for Sligo & Rosslare or is it the fact that not all 22k trains are in service yet.

He also said that the 2009 timetable will not be until June/July.

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Thats not on. All services to Rosslare must be converted to 22ks. That was always the plan.

I agree that was the plan but we the customers:Ddont actually know what was the plan.

I think everyone on the line will have their own opinions on the line by june or july if this does happen.:D

As I had posted many times, staff are only briefed on changes at short notice. This is just speculation

Not all trains south of Greystones will be 22k operated thats always been the position, 3 more 3 car 22k sets are awaited plus several 6 car sets

As it stands today there is no reason why the following services cannot be run

6:00 Gorey Dublin
16:30 Dublin Gorey

According to the Irish Rail staff timetable they should be 22k services

Yes, the Gorey trains will remain commuter railcars so that's probably why the train times you mentioned are still 28ks.

Beyond Gorey we all fully expect 22ks to be used with some 2x3 car formations for the busier time slots.

i reckon that if the formation i suggested would happen there wont be any 6-coach 22k formations on the rosslare line

Several of the wrong-side platforms are too short for them anyway.

One train each way should be a 6 coach. E.g afternoon train to Rosslare and the evening return to Dublin. Only Rathdrum is a problem with platforms.

The platform thing isn't a problem, they stop in Woodlawn which is also short

The doors are software controlled so there is no problem locking out the last door of the train if required, could even be done manually by the ticket checker

Great, so there is no reason why a 6-coach 22k should not be used on the Rosslare line. Glad we sorted that out

Not quiet, just yet by the looks of things! :confused: why couldnt rotem have done this?

http://www.e-tenders.gov.ie/search/s...x?ID=DEC111145

It was my understanding that the fleet was ordered to have SDO, the computer console certainly displays the status of all doors

There are 183 ICR coaches, the tender says 234 so either Irish Rail are ordering 51 more or they are talking about the commuter fleet as its "up to 234 DMU vehicles of the same class / build type" . So Irish Rail have given the game away, they have a contract option on the ICR fleet most likely

The problem with SDO is to know when to disable the doors and which ones, thats where you need a complex technical solution and no GPS isn't a great solution

They are talking about 100 platforms, which is somewhere upwards of 50 stations in total, I only count 8 platforms in need of this on the Rosslare line

Could this include taking into account 9-coach trains?

Heuston side most platforms are 210m, long enough for a 9 car if required, Thurles needs a short extension on one platform but I can't see where 50 platforms is coming from, unless its the entire Sligo line and Rosslare lines

51 extra 22000 class carriages were ordered nearly six months ago.

IE opted against SDO in the original order for the 22000 class. A nine coach consist (1 six car coupled to 1 three car) was tested recently. IE are looking at using 9 car consists on some of their busier services. A nine coach 22000 would be longer than most platforms so hence the tender for SDO.

Upgrading Rosslare and Sligo line to 9-coach?

For the Rosslare side that would be a waste, 6 coach is sufficent

What about the commuter services side of things Mark?

Any short platforms or possible upgrades?

Sorry wobbles! misread that! me bad :o Are there many stations on the heuston line like that?!

Just what was said on boards

No contract award notice for a further order, only published orders are

1. 20 * 3 + 10 * 6 = 120
2. 10 * 3 = 30
3. 1 * 3 + 5 * 6 = 33

Been saying for ages that Irish Rail where 40-60 coaches short so it would make sense. For Rosslare, Limerick area and WRC most likely

and pace and the upgraded kildare line

Heuston-Cork all have longer platforms (210m?).

All other new / extended stations are being built to 174m (8-car DART/2600-2900).

I'm not sure about existing stations.

Well that is great news. I wonder are they all in 3 coach formats (17*3) or a combination of 3 coach and 6 coach.

They really should have ordered a lot more 6 coach sets in the first place.

And what about the 6 coach 22k?

Mark you said there should be no problem with a 6 coach 22k going to Rosslare. Are you still of that viewpoint? Any confirmation from Irish Rail about this issue?

There should be no problem with a 6 car 22k set, once there is some way to lock the very rear door at the stations where a short platform exists. It was indicated a long time ago that the new trains had selective door opening turns out they don't

Curiously enough the platform at Woodlawn on the Galway line is short as well, but the new trains stop there. The Mk4 stopped at Templemore and Portarlington which both had very short platforms until recently

There would be no problem operating 6 or 8 carriage trains on the Rosslare line if CIE/IE wished to. They do exactly what suits them and throw up all sorts of Health & Safety concerns when it suits them. Without doubt two of the busiest stations in the country - Cork and Connolly (Platform 5) - are two of the most dangerous for passengers but they are not shut down. I refer to 'mind the gap' - the yawning chasm between the train door and the platforms in these locations. I am not advocating that they be closed but just that CIE/IE cop themselves on and sort out the nonsense about platform lengths.:D

When Rathdrum was extended I guess it lost its grandfather rights?

I guess there would be health and safety concerns if a platform is to short (at the latest when a passenger uses the wrong exit and misses the platform :rolleyes: ) But seriously, when I came to this country 5 years ago (before that I was complaining to Deutsche Bahn :) ) I could not believe that I had to go into the first two carriages to leave the train at Castlebar for example. I considered that a health and safety issue and actually people DID leave the train there off limits the platform because the doors weren't locked.

There is very much a problem running anything longer than a 6-car 2800 set south of Greystones, as that is the longest that the platforms at Rathdrum, Arklow, Enniscorthy, Wexford, and Rosslare Strand can manage.

Wexford is one of the longest platforms in the country.

Mark seems to think a 6 car 22k will be fine once the rear door is locked. Try not to be so negative.

The question is though is it needed?

Where did I hear before that a 6 coach 22k has more seats than an 8-coach 29k? My point is that seperation of Rosslare and Maynooth/Drogheda is about to take place is there sufficent passengers using the rosslare services to warrant a train with that capacity on the line? Especially in light of passenger numbers falling.

They'll rise again once the new trains operate the line! People will realise that the journey will be much more comfortable with the new trains.

It's worth noting that more people will probably be holidaying at home this year which means more people will be using the train. Rosslare is a major holiday destination and if this summer happens to be a good one weatherwise I'd imagine the trains to Rosslare will be packed.

Yes I think it does warrant 6 coaches, maybe not for every train to/from Rosslare but certainly some.

Whoops, scratch Wexford.

The problem with the concept of only opening the front five doors is that it can't be done :(

:)

Don't be thinking negatively :). But I honestly cant blame people for not using the train service on the Calafort Ros Lair line. People have I bet just about enough of these 2800 Commuter Railcars they aren't exactly comfortable especially coming from i.e Gorey & Wexford where the journey is 1hr40mins & Wexford 2hr30mins. Im using the 07.26 Connolly Gorey in the morning and the thought of the 2800 train is literally pissing me off:). Where-as if that was a new 22k train then I guarantee you I and many others would feel different.

Certainly a case for the last train and the first early morning train from Rosslare to Dublin. But the 3car sets can hold 200 people so maybe that will be enough.

"Try not to be so negative." Maybe this messgae should be sent to the head of IE for the Rosslare line.:);)

Where there's a will there's a way...:cool:

well, IE have tendered for the way, we just can't figure out why it wasn't in the original spec...

When is the Rossalre line going to see the new timetable, Its obviously not Sep27th as proposed will it be next month then maybe the next month or with IE the following month.

Is the Malahide viaduct causing this problem with the new timetable to be issued?

It shouldn't be but it looks like it is

Bear in mind that a few things to be factored in...

- Connolly timetable
- DART timetable
- DARTS enroute on the Bray/Greystones route
- Northern/Western commuters in the Connolly Pearse area
- reported new clockface DART timetable which Rosslare needs, in order to work

The new Rosslare timetable is unworkable with the current DART timetable and would be a disaster if introduced before the rest of the DART/Commuters. The timetable has to be integrated.

Malahide has really screwed things up, there are 52 DMU coaches north of Malahide, in simple terms thats a third of the entire fleet

The two remaining 3 car 22k sets have yet to show up

I think Irish Rail should really consider putting the last service to Rosslare/Wexford leaving Dublin @19.30 or 20.00

People as like myself need a late service back home.