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KSW 07-11-2007 17:52

Just Curiosity
 
There is one thing that Irish Rail have't considered yet when they or the on platform announcements come on. For example the 17:25 service to Gorey they should think about "The next train at platfrom 5 is the 17:25 COMMUTER service to Gorey calling at.... and for 18:35 Rosslare- The next train at platform 5 is the 18:35 INTERCITY service to Rosslare Europort rather than the normal The next train at platform 5 is the 18:35 service to Rosslare Europort. There is no type of train on the announcements just on the timetables would'nt this be helpful to everyone not just vistiors.

StephenM 07-11-2007 18:39

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Originally Posted by KeithStephen (Post 26736)
P.S->There is nothing on the real time for Rosslare Europort on the Iarnrod Eireann website

I didn't think Iarnrod Éireann offered real time for Intercity services?

ThomasJ 07-11-2007 19:22

its the same for the sligo trains. there is a note on the real time (select station) section on the home page stating for DART and Suburban only

Mark Gleeson 08-11-2007 09:24

All trains south of Wicklow are classified as intercity for signaling purposes

The real time system only tracks class D, E and P type trains, inner, outer suburban and DART

No trains to Sligo, Belfast or Rosslare ever appear, it is not possible to track any train south of Bray since the signaling is manual, north of Dundalk is on NIR and beyond Broombridge is still under manual control

packetswitch 08-11-2007 09:41

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Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson (Post 26754)
s class D, E and P type trains

Public boards. Translate into English? ;)

Mark Gleeson 08-11-2007 09:43

class D, E and P type trains, inner, outer suburban and DART

KSW 08-11-2007 11:14

Guys, I just asked whether it would be wise or not to say InterCity or COMMUTER during the on platform anouncements. I would like to see this its not asking for much lets be honest......

Mark Gleeson 08-11-2007 11:20

Its a waste of time and provides no benefit what so ever just means the pa is even longer than before

KSW 08-11-2007 11:32

Mark Nicest way possible but its just One extra word

Mark Gleeson 08-11-2007 12:27

Trust me you don't want it, ask anyone who travels in the UK where the pa's are prefixed by the train operating companies name its becomes very annoying very quickly

Clear and concise information is what we need and the auto pa system is pretty much bang on

ThomasJ 08-11-2007 12:36

TBH from a passenger point of view, I wouldn't care how i got home, I would prefer when I got home and that would mean first train that stops at my station not first commuter or intercity train. The only thing worth noting of those announcements are "the next train at platform x is the xx:xx to XXXXXX callaing at x" as long as my station is mentioned

ThomasJ 08-11-2007 15:11

actually regarding information displayed at stations. On the massive destination/arrival board at connolly (above the gates) the following is displayed for the 22.01 Connolly Maynooth

22.00 - Maynooth - 7
Calling at:
Drumcondra
Ashtown
Castleknock
Coolmine
Leixlip
Maynooth

so both the time and stations called at are wrong

ThomasJ 08-11-2007 21:29

Just arrived at connolly and is now displaying 22.01 maynooth listing all correct stations. Wondering was this thread read mark?

Mark Gleeson 08-11-2007 21:45

You would be amazed

Edward Ryan 08-11-2007 21:57

I have to agree with Mark. Once the screen displays the the time the stops and the trains ETA that is all you need.

For example the 1335hrs INTERCITY service to Rosslare with a train branded COMMUTER standing at the platform would confuse some passangers!

Ed

KSW 08-11-2007 22:29

When the Rosslare/Sligo do eventually get the new 22k trains, Then its worth taking into consideration.

ThomasJ 08-11-2007 22:46

But why? Does it mean if a commuter train arrives you would rather wait on an intercity train. I really cant see why you would differentiate one from the other. Just take the one that gets you to your destination sooner ?

KSW 08-11-2007 22:55

Im just saying that when your standing on say platform 5 waiting for the Rosslare service would'nt you like to hear that "The next train at platform 5 is the 18:35 InterCity service to Rosslare - so you know its a different type train approaching the platform rather than seeing a COMMUTER coming

Pierce 08-11-2007 23:31

Sounds ok!

ThomasJ 08-11-2007 23:35

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Originally Posted by KeithStephen (Post 26810)
Im just saying that when your standing on say platform 5 waiting for the Rosslare service would'nt you like to hear that "The next train at platform 5 is the 18:35 InterCity service to Rosslare - so you know its a different type train approaching the platform rather than seeing a COMMUTER coming

It's not the worse of ideas but I do think that there are bigger issues for Connolly such as the lack of Destination Informations Boards.

other than Broombridge, Connolly must be the only station that does not have these information boards that we see at every other station on the Dublin Rail network even maynooth line stations have them! :D

Can be done about this? Despite the improvements made such as the 3 PIS screens (5/6/7) together at the archway by the lift, people do still get lost looking for their train and I do constantly point poeple at platform 6 to platform 5 where their next dart would run. Connolly next this information as much as anyhere else. They used to be at the junction of platform 4 before you turned into platforms 5/6/7 and also at platforms 6/7 but have been gone for over a year.

KSW 08-11-2007 23:39

Agree, The 3 display screens should have arrows on the bottom/top of the displays it is very confusing.. Platform 6+7 arrows pointing down and platform 5 an arrow pointing right. With the new timetable comind up soon they will be changing or adding new times so its just a thought

Thomas Ralph 09-11-2007 18:58

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Originally Posted by KeithStephen (Post 26810)
Im just saying that when your standing on say platform 5 waiting for the Rosslare service would'nt you like to hear that "The next train at platform 5 is the 18:35 InterCity service to Rosslare - so you know its a different type train approaching the platform rather than seeing a COMMUTER coming

Isn't that a red herring anyway since all the services to Rosslare are (at least in terms of the trains operating them) commuter services?

KSW 09-11-2007 22:10

Ok, I gave up

Colm Donoghue 10-11-2007 02:35

Don't Give Up.
 
Keith,
Don't give up. Just fight the battles that you can win.

At the minute, there is no difference betwen the train that will bring you to Wicklow, Arklow, Rathdrum and Gorey or Wexford and Enniscorthy.
You can't book a seat (or get a seat or even get on any of the services.) on any of them.

Generally the time of departure sets a train service apart from any other. So the passenger has to know that the train leaving the station they are at, at 5:37 is the commuter train to X.

This occurs in Monaco.
You stand on the pristine marble platform and the abnouncement says the next train is for a,b,c,d,e,f,

I heard Cannes in the list and boarded a TGV insead of a commuter train. If they manage there,,, we can manage here.

KSW 10-11-2007 13:16

Cheers Colm, The argument still stands!!....

Thomas Ralph 10-11-2007 18:29

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Originally Posted by Colm Donoghue (Post 26862)
I heard Cannes in the list and boarded a TGV insead of a commuter train. If they manage there,,, we can manage here.

Let's just hope IÉ doesn't have different prices for different train between the same two points.

Dublin/Rosslare 15-11-2007 22:09

It would be nice to hear Intercity on the Rosslare Route for a change rather than the 2800 Commuter train's

KSW 16-11-2007 11:58

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Originally Posted by Dublin/Rosslare (Post 27112)
It would be nice to hear Intercity on the Rosslare Route for a change rather than the 2800 Commuter train's

Even just for InterCity services and not Commuter would you all agree with that?

Mark Gleeson 16-11-2007 12:16

Rosslare was never an intercity route and it never will be. The offical designation is 'regional passenger service' and that is what will appear in any description of the service and trains in the event of an accident. The 3 car railcars to be used are to give the correct title the regional railcars, the 6 car is the intercity version

The term intercity will appear nowhere on the platform, on train displays or automatic public address system. All you need is time, destination and platform, simple clear and consistent

KSW 16-11-2007 12:21

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Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson (Post 27142)
Rosslare was never an intercity route and it never will be.

Thats beginning to look obvious..

ACustomer 16-11-2007 12:24

Well the new Sligo services from January 08 are all advertised as Intercity, and I assume that they will be operated largely if not entirely by the 3-car 22k units

KSW 16-11-2007 14:09

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Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson (Post 26754)
All trains south of Wicklow are classified as intercity for signaling purposes

Waste of time in my opinion calling it an InterCity Route in that case. It has been called InterCity for ever. When there is connections from the UK to Ireland via Fishguard and Fishguard to London on 6hour train journey.........


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