At a recent Fingal CC council meeting a motion to protect an alignment from Lissenhall to Donabate was defeated.

Context on this is

DART to Balbriggan is in T21
Funds to study a metro link from Metro North to Howth Junction/New station Grange Rd are in T21

RPA are not actively pursuing anything north of Lissenhall, they are looking at the Howth Junction thing, the southern half of Metro West and Luas to Finglas, they might not be listed in T21 but they are there

Our key concern is actually getting that DART to Balbriggan done and that doesn't look so positive

But that's going to be a Ballymun-Howth Junction MetroWest extension right? Not an insane MetroNorth branch which would replicate the conflicts of DART-Howth?

Should go the whole bloody hog and regauge Howth to Metro. No 0-change to An Lar? True, but 0-change to Ballymun's just as good :)

That sounded good but the Metro West bit is looking like grange road not Howth Junction

That's a pity. HJ would, in that situation, have Dart to Malahide, Dart to Howth, Suburban to Drogheda and an orbital bus link as well as Metro West.

If metro 24hr? Because even if it isn't initially, the capability for single line operation (for maintenance) should be in from day 1. In Toronto we won't see that till 2015 or something. At the moment the system is down 0200-0600 (0900 Sundays)

It was mentioned somewhere that it can be 24 hour legally (as per Luas) but there will be a maintenance zone in the early morning

The members only part of the platform 11 site has plans of the Ballymun and O'Connell Street stops. The most stricking thing in the latter case is just how big it is, the southern entrances are by the Harp building and the northern ones a block north of the bridge. The line is a long way underground.


Can any of you fill me in or email this and any other information you have of architectural merit? or email it

What would you bet the ticket price would be??? express sounds expensive
in many other cities in europe it is around 2 euro fully underground and longer than 17km by miles...

Who is going to win the bid?

Some of these companies in different groups have very close links in other countries.... something to be mindful of.... ex or???

some old metro designs tell me what you think?

http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=6398

i presume everyone has already seen this in the members section (don't know if ye all have, am not a full member:)) http://www.iei.ie/uploads/Files/Sect...R%20DUBLIN.PDF
there are draft architectural plans for MetroN already with pics in this pdf

(EDIT) think the link here's a dud, scroll down this page off archiseek and the links in one of the postshttp://www.archiseek.com/content/sho...?t=3679&page=8

Curious with this new Swords Express Bus doing the Pavilion in Swords to City Center in 30-35 Minutes how does that compare to what the Metro would offer? Does the government have the inter-connector higher up the priority scale than the metro or where does the Metro sit on the list of projects?

The Swords express coach has about 16 services each way a day, metro can do that per hour.
metro goes to St Stephen's Green from Lissenhall
Metro is fully accessible, swords express isn't afaik
swords bus stops at about 8pm, metro will be running for about 18 hours per day

The Frequency of any service would vary depeinding on the popularity, you also have DB running buses from the airport. Anyway not advocating a replacement of the Metro but curious to know what the time difference is from O'connell bridge to Swords via Metro, would it be 20 minutes on the metro or longer?

Yep Colm you're right on access the buses I think are all high step coach type.

Swords (Lissenhall P&R) to the Green is something like 24 minutes

What kind of speed will metro travel at ? i'm guessing not more than 80 or 100k ?

I think Belinstown to SSG will be nearer 30 mins (Including Estury stop dwell). Swords to SSG 25 mins and Airport to SSG about 20 mins. The Parnell stop and Drumcondra deviation have added a few mins while the Ballymun C&C has probably lost a few.

I think they are going for 80kmph capable - anymore than that is futile give the station spacings. Luas is currently 70kmph.

Does anyone know what system this picture is taken from?

http://www.transport21.ie/PROJECTS/M...tro_North.html

Cheers

Don't know Mark. I don't recognise it. It's heavy rail with 3rd rail so that discounts Germany as I'd recognise any of the Munich/Berlin etc. systems using 3rd rail though I haven't used all the overhead premetro systems there.

It strikes me as possibly an American system. :confused:

Its side 3rd rail system

It looks european, note the typically european analog clock. Probably Sweden, Denmark, Norway

It's not Norway anyway. Well at least it's not Oslo, Bergen or Trondheim. I don't think any of the other cities have rapit transit anyway, and the NSB railway is all overhead lines.

if this becomes "where is this" mark3 there will be trouble.

Understood number 1

I don't think it's Scandinavian at all. I don't think it's an underground station either. Elevated or at grade by the looks of it. Seems to be quite a big interchange station.

It's Rotterdam!

Yes mother! :D

Well done Philip. Ive been there a few times but never used the metro. I couldnt find it, well done.

any chance you could maker that pic bigger, can hardly see it

.....hang on I'll find the zoom button her somewhere......

Metro works may endanger jobs
 

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1203/metro.html
Yawn! Here we go again :rolleyes:

Was it not Dublin business leaders who asked and got Mary O'Rourke to separated the Luas into 2 separate lines? We now know that was a bad idea.

The stop they want at Marlborough Street is at the Dept of Education. This would defeat the reason for the move of the Metro stop from the Gresham to O'Connell Bridge, which is to integrate the Metro line with the Luas Red Line and stop transfers of around a half of a kilometer, dragging their suitcases, possible through pouring rain heading to and from the airport.

Also we would have to build an extra stop at Westmorland Street to fill the gap so the 1 station instead of 2 is a lame argument.

If the line went up Marlborough Street, does that mean that the line would have to go under Trinity College? If so, thats a no no.

We heard the same moan and groans from the Luas construction, all doom and gloom, but I wonder how much since the opening has the Luas helped to increased their profits by?

But the bit that really annoys me is where they get the figure of 5000 jobs from. I bet you it won't cost a single job. I wonder how many jobs(or is that profits) were lost due to the terrible traffic congestion we currently have?
It looks like another scare tactic to me. :mad:

With the exception of the Abbey Street O'Connell Bridge section there won't be any significant metro works on O'Connell Street

The station under the Liffey is to be mined

So what on earth are they talking about?


http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ire...713197287.html
© 2007 The Irish Times

Couldn't help thinking when I read this article the situation with the Luas works on Harcourt Street and the traders giving out about all the disruption and how it would effect their business.

Then when the line is finally built, I hear terms like it was "Christmas in March" for these same people with the ability of people along the line to get into town to be the good consumers they are. This was before the Dundrum Town Centre was built of course.

A bit of short term pain for 100 years of gain (I hope)

Scaremongering bull****. I wonder has the Irish Times as a whole bought into Frank McDonald's silly anti-metro stance.

From what is reputed to be a respected broadsheet, i find it remarkable that Ms Kelly couldnt take the few minutes needed to conduct proper research before writing this claptrap. A simple visit to the RPA website would show that the city centre part of the Metro line will be tunnelled using TBM's, not by cut and cover.

A piece of downright nonsense

I don't see why any sort of digging on O'Connell St would have to disrupt bus traffic. With this wide a street, all surface traffic can be diverted to one side, the other one dug up and then the procedure repeated for the other half. This has been done plenty of times in other cities and really isn't rocket science.

Where does the idea come from that when building a metro, the entire stretch starting at one terminus and ending at the other will be one huge dig over years and years? Haven't people just witnessed the harbor tunnel go in without 5km worth of buildings being knocked down and the whole stretch getting dug up?

If he's number 1, who's Picard:D ?

On a more metro related topic. When are they going to start ripping up the city? Its "supposed" to have started but they have delayed it due to "studies" on traffic management and integration of the work at the same time as the luas so as to decrease the disruption to about 5 years instead of eternity.:rolleyes:

I would love to see this done by someone compident, after all if we outsourced all of these projects half them would be under construction by now, hell we would probably allready be able to get a luas to the point and have free flow junctions on the m50, but no we have to use irish companies.:confused:

No one ever learns lessons from the past here do they, the luas green line could have been a metro, hell we could have built all the luas lines we were promised, but the government are just BLEH, and wouldnt do anything right.

Thats right i said BLEH!:p

has anyone seen that commercial on tv with butterflies??? for the RPA or CIE

your thoughts??? is cut and fill cheaper??? how much money and time would this save? and allow for better stations?

R.E shamrockmetro

Looks to me to be in the perfect place & central wise

IS there still no information on the final route or station layouts?


Is it too late to bully the a-holes to build a real metro system and stop D!cking us around with this underground tram milarcky?:confused:

In an ideal world, they would have announced the project with T21 and started ripping the whole city up within a few months and had it all planed out to have EVERTHING complete at the same time. Sort of a Boston Big dig thing, but hopefully not over budget and full of shoddy workmanship. Ok maybe not the Big Dig, more of an "Olympics is coming to town" kind of building frenzy. But this is Ireland, not an Ideal world:rolleyes:

The Boston Big Dig is surely not a good example to give as a suggestion of how something should be done. This project was 10billion dollars(including inflation adjustments) overbudget and years late.

This is an exact example of what we should not do. Having spent time in Boston this project also caused huge amounts of contraversy amongst the cities residents whose taxes paid for it - not to mention the one motorist who paid for the shoddy work with their life when the roof collapsed on them

The Big Dig ... that thing went on for a decade or two, came in years late and was a financial black hole. And yes, at least one motorist paid the ultimate price for some crappy construction work in the tunnels. I'll take Bertie's and FFs mindless dithering over that any day.

Sevilla Metro
 

Sevilla Metro started in '99 still not open

http://www.metrodesevilla.net/ says
"Página en construcción"


These are the fast movers we are always compared to as being slow.

You may be doing the big dig a disservice. Yes it was way over budget. Yes a motorist paid with their life. But it was unprecedented and has improved Boston and its environs no end. Many books have been written and many TV documentaries made about it. Its a fully transparent project. Warts and all. But the results are astounding.

No pain, no gain. Dublin is in the mickey mouse factor compared to it. Metro North is a pea to the big digs' pumpkin. The philosophy is right, but the comparison is wrong.

**** happens and it doesn't mean that excuses can be made for the "Irish angle". Madrid faired better. Ireland is still unmercifully overpriced and interferred with beyond reason. Germany and France do this thing all the time. We have overloaded the entire experience. Even the communists do it better.

Well Mosco's beutiful subway was rebuilt by the war widow's in the 50's, so good work for hundreds of thousands of slaves instead of a building company.:D

I apologise for the big dig comparison, but it is a huge project that although disasterous got results. Maybe my idea of doing all dublin needs at once was a tad over zealous as it would mean a lot more opertunity for shoddy work and tax wastage. But either way we need all of it, every good idea should be built not consulted, we need relief soon, if we dont start building all of this within 10 years, the city will be impossible to commute too and decentralisation might actually happen, perish the thought!:confused: