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sublimity
07-05-2009, 17:05
September now? According to journey details on IR website.
sublimity
10-05-2009, 11:29
Actually I refuse to believe that.. could be earlier, you just don't know with IR! Anyone's guess is as good as mine.
Mark Gleeson
10-05-2009, 13:41
As far as I understand it the website timetable never holds a full years service, so periodically the expiry date moves forward
A logical date for a new timetable would be September with the return of schools and third level, the Summer is traditionally quiet
Don't expect major changes, only the Rosslare line is in line for a major change
Don't expect major changes, only the Rosslare line is in line for a major change
And every customer on that line welcomes that news...:)
Don't expect major changes, only the Rosslare line is in line for a major change
Do we have a rough idea on what changes to expect on the Rosslare line?
Will these 'changes' be improvements or reductions?
Mark Gleeson
11-05-2009, 10:09
The official line is no service reductions but I don't believe it
Rosslare should see more services
Do we have a rough idea on what changes to expect on the Rosslare line?
I expect time reductions, New trains, 100% Reliability, Dun Laoghaire station taken off stopping station for InterCity Rosslare. Extra 2 services each way to Wexford, Rosslare trains go no further than Connolly & start at Connolly. New timetable not the 13.35 or 18.35 but something new (i.e) 13.10 & 19.10
paddyb180285
23-06-2009, 16:31
In fairness KSW, Dun Laoghaire Train Station is serviced by a large number of feeder bus routes such as the 46A not to mention, being next to a Ferry Port. On top of that, it has two large shopping centers, an abundance of clothes stores and it's also a very popular tourist attraction. Therefore, it should be serviced by ALL trains from ALL directions.
In fairness KSW, Dun Laoghaire Train Station is serviced by a large number of feeder bus routes such as the 46A not to mention, being next to a Ferry Port. On top of that, it has two large shopping centers, an abundance of clothes stores and it's also a very popular tourist attraction. Therefore, it should be serviced by ALL trains from ALL directions.
I have to disagree with you, What you mentioned above yes Dun Laoghaire is a large town of Dublin but Dun Laoghaire has DART train serving the town all day with Drogheda and Maynooth going to Bray stopping at Dun Laoghaire. I honestly do not think its fair making only three services to Rosslare & ex Rosslare to Dublin making that stop also when a DART train has been there 15mins before then another couple of minutes after the Rosslare train. Alot of people can disagree or agree with me but there you have it:p
when a DART train has been there 15mins before then another couple of minutes after the Rosslare train. Alot of people can disagree or agree with me but there you have it:p
Not quiet fingers crossed have heard rumours that DART is returning to proper clockface timetable with DARTs every 10 minutes peak, every 15 minutes offpeak (even heard a rumour that the timetables might be built around the DART timetable). so there will be a small bit more squeeze on the connolly-DL stretch!
Sorry have to throw this in from boards have just seen this. The thread link is below!
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=60346837
As far as I'm aware, this will be addressed at the next timetable change with a clockface 15 minute frequency being introduced on DART (augmented at peak times), and all other services then being built around this.
It will have some implications for other services, such as Gorey/Rosslare services which will take a minimum 40 minutes to get from Connolly to Bray due to the DART headway being only approximately 10-12 minutes ahead.
Thus all of the long gaps in DART will be eradicated, and hopefully all other Connolly suburban routes will as a result develop clockface services also.
Not quiet fingers crossed have heard rumours that DART is returning to proper clockface timetable with DARTs every 10 minutes peak, every 15 minutes offpeak (even heard a rumour that the timetables might be built around the DART timetable). so there will be a small bit more squeeze on the connolly-DL stretch
You know if Irish Rail want the Rosslare line to be used by more people going to (i.e)Wexford, then they are also going to have to listen to the Rosslare line passengers. Irish Rail say they will have Five services each way to Rosslare/Wexford so on their own phrase they really should think the best practical way for the Connolly/Bray section of track. I am not harsh, Every Rosslare line user knows how IE treat this line with lack of respect so to speak.
Bray to Connolly currently is perfect needs no changes because there is 15min gaps between DART/Rosslare. Connolly to Bray needs to be looked at, Its not impossible just feels like that with Irish Rail:p
Is there a rule in Irish Rail that does not permit a train to run a section of track Right track, Wrong track.?
So end of september now looks like for the new timetable
Current timetable now ends 26th September 2009!
sublimity
24-06-2009, 19:15
So end of september now looks like for the new timetable
Current timetable now ends 26th September 2009!
Wouldn't pay much attention to that-it keeps changing every month on website. Could be end of August
Colm Moore
24-06-2009, 19:43
Is there a rule in Irish Rail that does not permit a train to run a section of track Right track, Wrong track.?It can be done Haoth Junction - Dun Laoghaire, but it can introduce its own headaches.
It can be done Haoth Junction - Dun Laoghaire, but it can introduce its own headaches.
let alone the northbound trains it would hold up!
Is there a rule in Irish Rail that does not permit a train to run a section of track Right track, Wrong track.?
The reason why I asked is because if there was a solution to sort out Rosslare trains from Connolly Station to Bray without touching the DART timetable to have them travel only one step further than the DART by passing it out on the wrong track, Right track idea before a Northbound DART reaches. Could it work ~!
I haven't been there in years, but IIRC, there's a third track at Dun Laoighaire, which faces to the North.
How much difficulty would there be in turning this into a through track so that DARTS could use it when being overtaken? From what I remember, there was the station building and a rail overbridge beyond it. Is there any realistic potential for connecting it through?
paddyb180285
25-06-2009, 16:18
If clockface timetabling does come into effect, do you guys think that it will spell the end of the 09:06/09:10 Dalkey/Glenageary-Balbriggan service? Or do you think it will be the contrary, with more Commuter branded trains serving stations like these.
Personally, I would hate to see this handy number being taken out of service as it get's me into town far quicker! Plus, most of the people at Glenageary board this service when it arrives which must be well of 20 strong. A lot of times, I see two trains leaving Pearse Station at the evening heading for Bray only. One leaves at roughly 16:00 and the other one leaves at 16:55. These two trains should additionally call at Glenageary/Dalkey/Both in the new timetable.
dowlingm
27-06-2009, 22:29
I haven't been there in years, but IIRC, there's a third track at Dun Laoighaire, which faces to the North.
How much difficulty would there be in turning this into a through track so that DARTS could use it when being overtaken? Given than the other two tracks go into a tunnel, I would think it would be a little tricky (http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=swg8gpggnvdh&style=b&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&scene=29510611&encType=1) :)
sublimity
28-06-2009, 10:56
If clockface timetabling does come into effect, do you guys think that it will spell the end of the 09:06/09:10 Dalkey/Glenageary-Balbriggan service? Or do you think it will be the contrary, with more Commuter branded trains serving stations like these.
Personally I hope there will be less Commuter branded trains Bray-Connolly. More DART's are needed at peak times like it was 10 years ago or so.
If there is to be the increase to 5 intercity services a day I would say there will be less commuter trains passing by the southside in the near future.
Colm Moore
29-06-2009, 07:38
I haven't been there in years, but IIRC, there's a third track at Dun Laoighaire, which faces to the North.
How much difficulty would there be in turning this into a through track so that DARTS could use it when being overtaken? From what I remember, there was the station building and a rail overbridge beyond it. Is there any realistic potential for connecting it through?Its possible, but practical is another matter. The council is / was considering building a promenade over the railway. However, the Rosslare train would need to be right behind the DART to pass is here. Possibly more sensible would be triple tracking Merrion Gates - Blackrock Tunnel. but I think thats for the infrastructure section.
paddyb180285
29-06-2009, 09:57
If the Rosslare trains are to go 5 times daily, could this ultimately mean Gorey Commuter services going 10 times daily? The reason why I ask is that there appears to be twice as many Gorey trains as Rosslare trains. Also, if this proposed frequency is true about Rosslare, it should follow this pattern:
Southbound:
Connolly-Rosslare:
7:30, 10:30, 13:30, 16:30, 19:30.
Connolly-Gorey Only:
9:30, 12:30, 15:30, 18:30, 21:30.
Resulting frequency to Gorey:
7:30, 9:30, 10:30, 12:30, 13:30, 15:30, 16:30, 18:30, 19:30, 21:30.
Northbound:
Rosslare-Connolly:
7:00, 10:00, 13:00, 16:00, 19:00.
Gorey-Connolly only:
6:00, 8:00, 12:00, 14:00, 17:00, 21:00.
Resulting frequency from Gorey:
6:00, 7:00, 8:00, 10:00, 12:00, 13:00, 14:00, 16:00, 17:00, 19:00, 21:00.
The northbound frequency would be one stronger than the southbound due to the higher priority. When I did a little research on Wikipedia about the stations along this particular stretch, I realised that there are far more passing loops than I initially thought. These should suffice for the aforementioned frequency. For the more frequent Gorey service, it may involve extending the journey length of more Maynooth/Drogheda services which would free up space at Pearse and Connolly for more of these services. Similarly, for the more frequent Rosslare service, it may involve merging them with a possible extra service to and from Sligo. Therefore, both lines reap the benefits.
As many of you often suggest, Connolly and Pearse have become backlogs. Hence, the proposed frequency serves to reduce this. Although the property market has suffered a major blow in terms of sell out, I do think that the proposed frequency would ultimately lead to residential property investment south of Greystones when the recession begins to reverse. At the moment, way to much emphasis is being put on development to the North and North-West direction which is resulting in the bottlenecks frequently seen in these parts. For this reason, I think it should shift to the south of Greystones whereby the proposed frequency would be instrumental in a more evenly distributed traffic sprawl. What do you guys think?
If the Rosslare trains are to go 5 times daily, could this ultimately mean Gorey Commuter services going 10 times daily? The reason why I ask is that there appears to be twice as many Gorey trains as Rosslare trains. Also, if this proposed frequency is true about Rosslare, it should follow this pattern:
Southbound:
Connolly-Rosslare:
7:30, 10:30, 13:30, 16:30, 19:30.
Connolly-Gorey Only:
9:30, 12:30, 15:30, 18:30, 21:30.
Resulting frequency to Gorey:
7:30, 9:30, 10:30, 12:30, 13:30, 15:30, 16:30, 18:30, 19:30, 21:30.
Northbound:
Rosslare-Connolly:
7:00, 10:00, 13:00, 16:00, 19:00.
Gorey-Connolly only:
6:00, 8:00, 12:00, 14:00, 17:00, 21:00.
Resulting frequency from Gorey:
6:00, 7:00, 8:00, 10:00, 12:00, 13:00, 14:00, 16:00, 17:00, 19:00, 21:00.
The northbound frequency would be one stronger than the southbound due to the higher priority. When I did a little research on Wikipedia about the stations along this particular stretch, I realised that there are far more passing loops than I initially thought. These should suffice for the aforementioned frequency. For the more frequent Gorey service, it may involve extending the journey length of more Maynooth/Drogheda services which would free up space at Pearse and Connolly for more of these services. Similarly, for the more frequent Rosslare service, it may involve merging them with a possible extra service to and from Sligo. Therefore, both lines reap the benefits.
As many of you often suggest, Connolly and Pearse have become backlogs. Hence, the proposed frequency serves to reduce this. Although the property market has suffered a major blow in terms of sell out, I do think that the proposed frequency would ultimately lead to residential property investment south of Greystones when the recession begins to reverse. At the moment, way to much emphasis is being put on development to the North and North-West direction which is resulting in the bottlenecks frequently seen in these parts. For this reason, I think it should shift to the south of Greystones whereby the proposed frequency would be instrumental in a more evenly distributed traffic sprawl. What do you guys think?
Not neccessarilly, if you look at Longford /Mullingar services there are 3 ontop of the usual Longford services. The 21:00hrs Dublin-Mullingar service has still not being implemented and I would have considered it the busier of the two. Having said that if anything has thought us with this argument over what railcars being used on the Gorey/rosslare line, if there was a 4-coacgh 29k set on the gorey line running a 21:30hrs service people would use it not because of the logistics/resources of the service but because of the convinience of been able to get back from dublin by train at that hour of the night. How many workers in dublin going to gorey would the 18:30 from dublin not suit because of shift work/overtime/afterwork pints?
think of GAA fans going to croker at weekends. And this doesn't just apply to Gorey this applies to Mullingar, the 21:00hrs Pearse Mullingar all stops should be happening!
Colm Moore
29-06-2009, 13:30
There actually is a new print of the Connolly-Rosslare timetable, so no changes expected this side of back to school time.
There actually is a new print of the Connolly-Rosslare timetable, so no changes expected this side of back to school time.
Just noticed small changes Gorey to Dublin,
06.45 to 06.40
08.50 to 08.45
14.10 to 14.05
18.50 to 18.45Are these changes for real as the Dublin side hasn't changed ?
paddyb180285
29-06-2009, 18:39
Just noticed small changes Gorey to Dublin,
06.45 to 06.40
08.50 to 08.45
14.10 to 14.05
18.50 to 18.45Are these changes for real as the Dublin side hasn't changed ?
Correct me if I'm wrong but that is a reduction in frequency. At the moment, there are 8 trains northbound to Dublin from Gorey. It looks like they have cut the frequency in Half. Or am I wrong?
Also, it looks like there is no clockface on that timetable. Random as usual. Unless the remaining services to Rosslare will make it look more like a pattern?
Correct me if I'm wrong but that is a reduction in frequency. At the moment, there are 8 trains northbound to Dublin from Gorey. It looks like they have cut the frequency in Half. Or am I wrong?
Also, it looks like there is no clockface on that timetable. Random as usual. Unless the remaining services to Rosslare will make it look more like a pattern?
I just mentioned the times that have changed, I didn't mention the times that haven't changed :):)(i.e) 06.45 to 06.40 but 14.10 the same as 14.10 etc..:):)
I to hope that this isn't the timetable, Hopefully clockface will come soon
Just noticed small changes Gorey to Dublin,
06.45 to 06.40
08.50 to 08.45
14.10 to 14.05
18.50 to 18.45Are these changes for real as the Dublin side hasn't changed ?
I just went onto the Irish Rail website because I get the 06.45 train (07:19 from Rathdrum). When you pull up the timetable for a certain date from Rathdrum it now states it leaves at 07:15, including today when it left at 07:19 as normal. When you click on the Printed Timetables however it still states 07:19 as the departure time! Which one are we meant to go from and why does it need to leave 5 minutes earlier, just so it can sit outside Greystones for 5 minutes longer???
They have all changed back now to the original times on the website!
dowlingm
03-07-2009, 02:49
All very well saying ramp up south of Greystones but when is the next Bray Head problem (from above or below) going to happen?
In my option it is undoubtedly the worse timetable I have seen.
Journey times are still the same if not longer.
New 08.01 from Gorey and the 11.20 will be good services..
I ASSUME IT IS OK TO UPLOAD THE FILE FOR THE ROSSLARE LINE
Please note times are still subject to change
HOPEFULLY :D :D
like i have said this is clockface DART on the way it is going to impact the rosslare line no doubt.
Mark Hennessy
31-07-2009, 18:05
like i have said this is clockface DART on the way it is going to impact the rosslare line no doubt.
Tom,
How will the maynooth line look?
More or less the same?
I dont know mark.
From what i heard there would be a cut in capacity but that would be halving of the eight coach trains worse case scenario hourly services during the day but dont forget pace is on the way in the next timetable.
The usual talk of a later sunday service. Its all talk though the evening services out of connolly are doing well even the ten past eleven gets good passenger numbers in particular at the weekend.
Am trying to find out
PLUMB LOCO
31-07-2009, 18:55
Tell me it's my eyesight or a misprint - the 06.30 ex.Enniscorthy arrives at Wexford at 06.54 - 4 minutes after the 06.50 service to Waterford has departed!! It seems mind crushing that the Rosslare/Waterford service now trundles up to Wexford and then back to Rosslare Strand before heading to Waterford - and I will still be the only passenger! Am I being stupid? :confused:
PS Where did this timetable come from or is it a State secret?
Mark Hennessy
31-07-2009, 19:32
Tell me it's my eyesight or a misprint - the 06.30 ex.Enniscorthy arrives at Wexford at 06.54 - 4 minutes after the 06.50 service to Waterford has departed!!
Does Wexford have two platforms:confused:
Mark Gleeson
31-07-2009, 19:38
It doesn't
The resignalling added a loop just north of the station to allow trains to pass. There is also the ability to store a train at Wexford in a a way not to obstruct any other service
Thomas Ralph
31-07-2009, 20:31
It seems amazingly silly for the Enniscorthy-Wexford service to not connect with the train on to Waterford. Wexford does only have the one platform, but it fits a six-car 2X00, so it would also fit the two-car train to Waterford and a four-car train which becomes the 0720 Wexford-Dundalk.
Even if it didn't fit, the train from Enniscorthy could pull in, discharge passengers who want to connect to Waterford, pull out again, wait for the train to Waterford to come and go, and then return to the platform in plenty of time.
Mark Gleeson
31-07-2009, 20:35
There is no problem with posting copies of the new timetable, anywhere else in Europe 8-12 weeks notice would be given as a mater of fact
If it is viewed as confidential by Irish Rail, they should never have given it to anyone. I'm well used to the you can look at this but you can't have a copy routine.
Mark Hennessy
31-07-2009, 20:44
Been getting alot of private messages as to where I got the timetable from. Apologizes for deleting the post.
The timetable is subject to change. My mistake for uploading the timetable..
But if this timetable is to be published would it be all that bad...:D:D
I say put it up to let folks have a look, it is not as if Irish Rail will consult with their customers on how the timetable affect their daily commutes.
PLUMB LOCO
31-07-2009, 21:07
Excuse me for forgetting about the platform(s) at Wexford but if this farce takes place the one passenger (me) who has been using this service will be excluded from it! I still don't understand, where was this timetable acquired from? One way or another a copy is going to the Enniscorthy Guardian office tomorrow so I would like to know its validity.
Traincustomer
31-07-2009, 21:28
Just been reading your posts Plumb Loco and Thomas, fully agree - the Enniscorthy service must connect with the Waterford service at Wexford (O'Hanrahan). Attention to detail can make or break a service. As a regular user of rail and bus it's the little things that add up to making my journey un/satisfactory. Like a destination being on display and being correct. Like the saloon clock on coaches showing the correct time and saloon displays in trains being synchronised with its actual position.
So I guess the proposed 0650 ex Wexford will be the set that arrives from Limerick Junction the previous evening, with connections to/from the Europort at the Strand.
Traincustomer
31-07-2009, 21:48
have just been browsing the proposed timetable and find it highly objectionable - apart from the lack of connection between the early-morning service from Enniscorthy into the Waterford train, I am frankly disgusted that the link restored to the ferry by way of the 1725 ex Connolly has been removed. Why is everything good and intrinsic to a decent service constantly being undermined. A very poor timetable to say the very least, very disappointing, is this the best our national rail undertaking can manage?
It is worth noting that none of the Monday to Friday services provide a ferry connection.
The 06.50 Wexford-Waterford does not service Rosslare Europort also ending the ferry connection. It is also worth noting the return evening service from Waterford now terminates at Rosslare Europort meaning no onward connection to Wexford and beyond.
The 0535 Rosslare-Enniscorthy will now be no use to any wheelchair users as passangers will be required to cross the footbridge at Enniscorthy.
Passangers that currently use the 07.40 from Rosslare will now have to leave Rosslare at 06.25 and wait in Wexford 30 minutes for the Dublin connection.
The new timetable is a joke.
PLUMB LOCO
31-07-2009, 22:46
A few further thoughts on the 'innovative' new timetable just received from a friend in the UK.
1 - The Waterford train leaves Wexford just before the one from Enniscorthy arrives.
2 - There is no way of getting back from Waterford to Wexford
3 - Lots of people seem to want to go to Blackrock and Lansdowne Road, but none want to come back
4 - The morning train to Waterford and Dublin leaves just before you can get off the boat
5 - The evening train to Dublin leaves just before you can get off the boat
A few further thoughts on the 'innovative' new timetable just received from a friend in the UK.
1 - The Waterford train leaves Wexford just before the one from Enniscorthy arrives.
2 - There is no way of getting back from Waterford to Wexford
3 - Lots of people seem to want to go to Blackrock and Lansdowne Road, but none want to come back
4 - The morning train to Waterford and Dublin leaves just before you can get off the boat
5 - The evening train to Dublin leaves just before you can get off the boat
it seems like they have given up to bus eireann without making an effort
Standing Passenger
01-08-2009, 10:11
You would'nt get it in a Simpsons plot. A friend trucks through Rosslare on a weekly basis and is forever telling me of the frustrations of foot passengers expecting to use the train service. He enjoys telling them the railway company own the Port and adds their incompetence has helped him build up a very successful road haulage business.
Charlie Hungerford
01-08-2009, 14:47
A few further thoughts on the 'innovative' new timetable just received from a friend in the UK.
My own personal favourite is the fact that you now won't be able to get to Rosslare until after lunchtime. Good to see that CIE is opening up the route to business travellers. :eek:
Of course, the fact that the number of evening connections to Rosslare have been halved comes a close second.
Why doesn't Fearn simply apply for a closure order and be done with it? It's clearly what's he up to...
The afternoon train to Maynooth not stopping between Dun Laoghaire and Pearse will not go down well.
I know a good few people who take that train home from Lansdowne.
I guess the 4.20 from Connolly to Maynooth will vanish off the timetable.
Wow the 05:35 will now get passengers in a whole 4 minutes earlier!
I know a lot of people work flexi hours etc but the proposed timetable doesn't even cater for those who work a standard 8 hour day. You can get in to the city centre for 8am but can't get a train home until 4:30 pm or you can get in for 8:45am but then can't get a train home until 5:30pm. It's a long enough journey without having to spend time waiting around!
The 4:40pm has been brought back to 4:30pm but if you look at the times it reaches each station you only gain the full 10mins back at the Gorey station, it's now included Dun Laoghaire as a stop.
This is a complete joke, the whole later train has just been ignored too.
Looking at that new *suggested proposed timetable* we seem to be looking at times of 40-48 minutes between Bray and Connolly for most if not all services in both directions, shocking to say the least. Probably because of the new DART timetable!
It looks like after all the speculation Clockface timetables are indeed heading our way the end of the next month!
paddyb180285
04-08-2009, 21:24
I also notice that the 7:30 morning service from Connelly to Rosslare no longer calls at Sydney Parade, Blackrock, Dalkey or Killiney. If this is the case, could it mean the end of the direct services linking Maynooth/Drogheda with Bray? Personally, I hope it doesn't as the 9:06 and 10:36 services to Balbriggan and Drogheda respectively are very popular amongst Dalkey commuters. Additionally, the evening 17:44 Longford service is also a popular service amongst locals as I frequently see large numbers boarding this service at Dalkey.
On a more optimistic note, I will congratulate Irish Rail for filling in some of the very large gaps seperating certain services. In it's future state, the frequency passed Greystones is a big improvement to the way it was some 3 years ago. All they will need now is a later evening return service leaving town between 8 or 9 o'clock. However, I amn't so sure what would be more viable: having the train go the entire way to Rosslare; or terminating at Enniscorthy. Nevertheless, the proposed Connelly-Rosslare timetable is a massive improvement on what it is at present. While the arrival and departure of train services at Rosslare aren't exactly tied in with that of the Ferry, the improvement in frequency is a step in the right direction.
The new timetable is a step better for services side of Greystones but unfortunately between Connolly & Bray it is like ThomasJ said longer by 41-48mins. From Gorey to Bray it takes ONE HOUR (New proposed 17.55 Ross-Dub) and the others 1hr4mins which is better than the ONE HOUR & 10MINS currently.
I think the 10.40 Wexford-Dub will be a good late morning service & also the 10.30 Dub-Ross. Maybe they should put a 2car 2800 set for the 12.05 to Arklow:D
I am disappointed that there is no later service to Rosslare/Wexford after 18.30. I think having 3 services to Wexford in the evening will be good but I dont think people will use them as of yet. New trains might make a difference for passengers.
Hopefully IE will take note of the points mentioned out and change their proposed timetable to something a bit better but the new timetable is a step forward :) :) :)
2009 Proposed Timetable, Decided to put it back up
sublimity
04-08-2009, 22:40
Well Well Well. So finally a new timetable (SUBJECT TO CHANGE of course)for Rosslare surfaces.
Have to say it is a major improvement although we were all expecting major changes anyway.
A few reservations/worries I have though:
1. Journey time between connolly-bray in most cases is way too long.
2. The 07.32 & 18.30 to Rosslare/Wexford do not seem to have a trolley service!
3. How many services will be 22k operated? Hopefully just the 12.05 & 16.30 from maynooth and the 06.45 and 14.35 from Gorey/Arklow will be 2800 operated.
Anyone else have views on the above?
I have to admit there are some suggested improvements but i am fairly taken aback by the responses to the timetable nit picking the minor things but by no means is this timetable great
First of all the commuter side. Correct me if i am wrong but most if not all [is mayo getting a later service as part of its service improvements ] other routes and stations will have a later service. I cant see any major improvements for peak hour commuters
for the intercity side the timings between connolly and bray are bad. I wont say anything on the lack of ferry connections and why on a sunday will the trolley service ONLY BE BETWEEN CONNOLLY AND BRAY ?
I could go on ...
sublimity
04-08-2009, 23:08
Jee, I totally forgot about the later service issue. Yes of course there should be one. Not such a good timetable after all..
Very strange about the 'catering' between connolly and bray sundays only.
I just hope the 18.30 will have a trolley service, it's crucial.
I wonder will the 06.00 from Gorey be restored to a commuter branded train. I think it's best if it does
PLUMB LOCO
04-08-2009, 23:35
Well Well Well. So finally a new timetable (SUBJECT TO CHANGE of course)for Rosslare surfaces.
Have to say it is a major improvement although we were all expecting major changes anyway.
A few reservations/worries I have though:
1. Journey time between connolly-bray in most cases is way too long. Agreed.
2. The 07.32 & 18.30 to Rosslare/Wexford do not seem to have a trolley service! The existing 07.26 service to Rosslare has no trolley and I agree with you that to have catering on the 17.30 (commuter) to Wexford but not on the 18.30 is bizarre but probably done to suit Gourmet Rail!
3. How many services will be 22k operated? Hopefully just the 12.05 & 16.30 from maynooth and the 06.45 and 14.35 from Gorey/Arklow will be 2800 operated.
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Anyone else have views on the above?
Hopefully all the inter-city services (i.e Connolly/Rosslare) will be 22000s but I wouldn't depend on it. Anyway I think calling Connolly/Wexford a 'commuter' service is pushing it given that it is taking more than 2.5 hours (!) and should be inter-city (22000s) too.
I am disappointed that few posters are concerned about the 'dicking' about with services to and from Waterford, as it really is a disaster for the route.
sublimity
05-08-2009, 00:27
[QUOTE=PLUMB LOCO;47823] Anyway I think calling Connolly/Wexford a 'commuter' service is pushing it given that it is taking more than 2.5 hours (!) and should be inter-city (22000s) too.
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Connolly Wexford is Intercity, no doubt about it. Who called it commuter Plum Loco?
I expect all trains going to Wexford/Rosslare will be Intercity 22000's with the exception of the 16.30 ex Connolly come the 27th of September with a trolley.
The only commuter (2800/29000) trains on the line should be the 06.00 (open to debate), 06.45 ex Gorey, the 12.05 and 14.35 to/from Arklow and the 16.30 ex Connolly
shweeney
05-08-2009, 10:34
dreadfully slow in the commuter sections - the 1725 (1730 in the new tt) now takes 57 minutes to get to Greystones with one fewer stop than before (no Lansdowne Rd) - this is actually slower than the dart (which takes 55), how can this be?
Hopefully the compensation will be a much improved DART timetable, but I won't be getting my hopes up.
As has been said before, nothing is finalised. I am hazarding a guess that this was a draft version but we'll find out. I have a feeling there will be changes. From what I have heard Maynooth line is still at draft stage, suggested changes are at consultation stage etc. (sorry haven't heard what the suggested changes are- but all the talk is of clockface Northern and Maynooth in line with DARTs, possibly top of the hour for one and either quarter past or the bottom of the hour for the other)
Nothing is set in stone, I certainly wouldn't be making any change of plans based on what has come out so far. :)
Hopefully the compensation will be a much improved DART timetable, but I won't be getting my hopes up.
I think the compensation would be that the timetable so easy to remember that you wouldn't need to carry one around! and the gaps would be plugged. Fingers crossed!
sublimity
05-08-2009, 23:26
I think there might be some changes too Thomas hopefully reflecting the issues we've highlighted.
Graham W
07-08-2009, 15:43
How about scrap the 12.05 from Connolly and replace it with a 19.05 to Wexford
I think the plan of this is to run the 12.05 back from Arklow to Maynooth (the only one according to that timetable) that service is very busy, By the looks of things it wont be going back that way! (towards Gorey/Arklow)
I to am hoping that the last 18.30 service will be changed to 19.10 or 19.30..
I'm curious....
All this talk was of 17.10ish, 18.10ish, 19.10ish. If the new timetable is true the last mon-sat train is actually leaving earlier (not much though about 7 or 8 minutes) what changed all this?
All speculaton though! (i hope!) :)
I dont know ThomasJ I think the timetable which I uploaded may be the real one. I haven't heard anything that it will be changed but I was told that they are still at the planning changes.
Maybe every user on the line should write to IE giving their thoughts on what time the last time to Rosslare should leave at before it does get to late...
Colm Moore
08-08-2009, 21:55
How about scrap the 12.05 from Connolly and replace it with a 19.05 to WexfordIt may not be that easy. A train may be available at 1205, but not at 1905.
Graham W
08-08-2009, 22:16
It may not be that easy. A train may be available at 1205, but not at 1905.
True. But I hope you're wrong!!
I presume that the new timetables for the maynooth and kildare will only be for a few months given the opening of the pace line and the completion of the four tracking on the line ex heuston
I presume that the new timetables for the maynooth and kildare will only be for a few months given the opening of the pace line and the completion of the four tracking on the line in and out of heuston
have heard rumours that the commuter services timetable, maybe the whole irish rail timetable that was meant to begin september 27th 2009 maybe postphoned/deferred as a result of the ongoing situation at malahide.
Mark Gleeson
24-08-2009, 09:56
Even before Malahide it has looking shaky. They will probably hold off till the bridge is fixed which would bring us to the WRC opening as well
Rosslare line customers will not be happy, another 3months waiting...:mad::mad:
sublimity
26-08-2009, 09:35
I thought it was only the Rosslare line set for a timetable change on Sept 27th.
No reason why it should be deferred.
I think personally IE should introduce the new 27th for the Rosslare line they can always change it 3months down the line when the Malahide viaduct gets repaired..
Rosslare Customers can not take much more.
sublimity
26-08-2009, 10:27
Absolutlely Keith.
Ideally there should be no link whatsoever with the Rosslare and Northern commuter lines anyway.
I thought it was only the Rosslare line set for a timetable change on Sept 27th.
No reason why it should be deferred.
Na the whole dublin rail network was expected to be restructured in line with clockface connolly side timetables. Its possible they might go ahead with intercity and the DART timetables heck they might even introduce the timetables of those connolly commuter not affected but i doubt it. There are murmurings that some new timetables have yet to be finalised but wait and see. The 28 days To the new timetable is around the corner and upon us we should know an answer by next week at the latest.
sublimity
26-08-2009, 10:44
Thanks for that info Thomas. New Rosslare timetable should really go ahead. Waiting way too long... Fingers crossed
any ideas on what the new Dart times will be like.
I usually get the 1542 from Lansdowne to Connolly to catch the Sligo train to Maynooth.
Will this train move? If so any ideas on how much?
website is now telling us the current timetable has been extended to the 31st october 2009
Runs every Monday to Saturday from 15 June until 31 October;
sublimity
28-08-2009, 23:01
website is now telling us the current timetable has been extended to the 31st october 2009
and then it will be November and before we know it it will be christmas when its introduced. bloody hell!
Looks like the timetable has been pushed back again!
Runs every Monday to Saturday from 20 July until 28 November;
sublimity
30-09-2009, 20:07
What did I tell ya. Absolute joke
I think its high time for someone in a higher authority to get onto Iarnrod Eireann, This is getting a joke especially for Rosslare line users.
Another two months..:confused:
sublimity
30-09-2009, 21:43
It's shocking really. I give up. The people of Wexford deserve InterCity carriages. Comfort is at an all time low. The way Irish Rail have treated customers on the Rosslare line has been appalling. It's UNBELIEVABLE.:mad:
paddyb180285
02-10-2009, 16:58
I think its high time for someone in a higher authority to get onto Iarnrod Eireann, This is getting a joke especially for Rosslare line users.
Another two months..:confused:
As irritating as the delay is, the Malahide viaduct collapsed causing major disruption to north bound commuters. The introduction of the new timetable seems to be tied in with the date when this situation is rectified. The timetable change for the Rosslare line is obviously co-ordinated with the timetable change of services on other lines. With the current timetable still valid to the rest of the country, could make it quite difficult to introduce the new Rosslare timetable.
However, it does remain possible to change the timetable for trains radiating outwards from Heuston as it deals a completely different sequence of routes. I guess that in this particular case the lack of usage of the Phoenix Park Tunnel is a blessing in disguise. Nevertheless, the delay of timetable changes here is an absolute shambles.
paddyb180285
23-10-2009, 16:23
Has anyone noticed that the online timetable doesn't go beyond the end of November?
Mark Gleeson
23-10-2009, 16:28
Thats because the Malahide Viaduct will reopen before then and the new timetable will come into force probably very end November start December.
Its no secret, the online timetable will always have at least 28 days ahead
Its no secret, the online timetable will always have at least 28 days ahead
So we'll know for definite come 2/3 November what they have in store for us in the post-December timetable?
paddyb180285
30-10-2009, 17:04
I thought that I should let y'all know that the current online timetable from the 16 of November has been fully restored as has been promised following the complete repair of the Malahide Viaduct. However, what month would y'all say is when Irish Rail will introduce the new timables?
So we are beyond the 28 day threshold. Currently you are unable to book beyond the 28th november.
So what do you reckon ? Will we see the new timetable in the coming days ?
sublimity
02-11-2009, 22:53
Looks like its finally going to happen:)
Those of us waiting for the new Rosslare timetable are in for a major shock. No increase in services as promised and no major reduction in journey times :mad:
Those of us waiting for the new Rosslare timetable are in for a major shock. No increase in services as promised and no major reduction in journey times :mad:
any idea wobbles is the new rosslare line timetable the timetable that was posted here a couple of months ago ?
Mark Gleeson
04-11-2009, 09:17
I'm told the actual one is similar some changes
any idea wobbles is the new rosslare line timetable the timetable that was posted here a couple of months ago ?
No. It is much like the current timetable with the 1640 and 1725 services extended to Wexford. The 2005 ex Enniscorthy now starts from Wexford at 19.30. The 11.35 Gorey is put back till around 12.00 and only operates to Arklow.
Why keep the current times ?
I would have thought with the gorey rosslare line been a low frequency timetable the least they could have done would be make the timetable clockface and make the last one later.
What an anti climax for rosslare passengers !
Whats the latest on the dart and commuter clockface timetables ? Is that happening ?
Will the new timetables allow for people to make changes to commuter, intercity or dart services without having to be there 20 mins early due to their connection leaving as they arrive on their train.
sublimity
04-11-2009, 10:49
The most important question: Will the new timetable be operated by intercity rolling stock?
Mark Gleeson
04-11-2009, 11:00
My guess is we won't be seeing the 3 car ICR sets on all services. They are still short sets 10 and 11 which had to be sent back due in transit damage
Word is they have been scrapped in Korea and a completly new sets 10 and 11 are being built at no cost to IE
Nothing we can do until we see the actual published timetable, Irish Rail deny the accuracy of the timetables they have leaked and have been obtained by ourselves and others
PLUMB LOCO
04-11-2009, 12:25
I have heard that the early morning (05.44) train ex Arklow that was to be axed in the new timetable will now start from Enniscorthy and continue to give a connection for Waterford at Rosslare Strand but you still won't be able to travel back to Wexford or Enniscorthy EVER!!! Clearly IE are catering for the emigration market to Waterford. :D
The most important question: Will the new timetable be operated by intercity rolling stock?
Just checking there and they have the new timetables online at the moment from the 28th. According to that all trains except the 17:30 are showing as intercity. No sigh of new services, just rejigged times and extensions to existing services.
Should be fun trying to crowd the standing crowd on a 2900 into a 3 carriage ICR :( on some services, particularly as it's still only 3 services each way at weekends from Enniscorthy onwards
Charlie Hungerford
04-11-2009, 12:55
Just seen the Northern line one - up to 10 mins of padding on some services, partly disguised by additional stops at Gormanston.
DART is now clockface but what a shocker!
every 15 minutes in peak hours included.
Maynooth line not too bad but no longer clockface in evening departs at :29 and :59 no major changes to sunday!
No major changes to sligo services.
Charlie Hungerford
04-11-2009, 13:03
DART is now clockface but what a shocker!
Malahide ones aren't though - only those leaving Howth are. Plus the clockface interval seems to change during the day. :D
Charlie Hungerford
04-11-2009, 13:12
The WRC times are in the system!!!
Limerick - Galway week days:
06:00 [Arrives 08:25]
09:35 [Arrives 11:34]
11:55 [Arrives 13:51]
14:15 [Arrives 16:13]
18:05 [Arrives 20:00]
Galway - Limerick:
06:04 [Arrives 08:39]
09:45 [Arrives 11:48]
12:10 [Arrives 14:08]
14:30 [Arrives 16:28]
17.25 [Arrives 19.24]
There are also four services each way on Sundays.
The new intercity carriages may be a good thing but timings! :eek: to gorey
time differerence between old and new highlighted in bold
time 2009 2010
early morn 1:51 1:51 0
late morn 1:52 n/a
lunchtime 1:38 1:52 0:14
eve peak 1 (16h) 1:53 1:52 -0:01
eve peak 2 (17h) 1:54 2:00 0:06
eve peak 3 (18h) 1:47 1:54 0:07
only benefit is 1 minute off the 16:30/16:40 connolly gorey/wexford service
extra 26 minutes in total and 1 service less for gorey passengers
The WRC times are in the system!!!
Galway - Limerick:
06:40 [Arrives 08:39]
09:45 [Arrives 11:48]
12:10 [Arrives 14:08]
14:30 [Arrives 16:28]
17.25 [Arrives 19.24]
The first service in the other direction is the only one to take 2:25, due to an unfortunate 25 minute layover in Ennis.
I have a 7 min connection time to get from platform 7 to 3 all things going well.
I see the 1705 Sligo train is first stop Maynooth.
I can see this train been popular for Maynooth people
Mark Gleeson
04-11-2009, 14:32
Looks like I'll be crushed in going home, its a DART every fifteen minutes going southbound, its going to be fun
It appears the 1620 from Connolly to Maynooth is gone.
It appears the 1620 from Connolly to Maynooth is gone.
looks like its been brought forward to 16.18
ACustomer
04-11-2009, 14:51
I suppose it was inevitable there would be service cutbacks, but the Cork-Dublin service has hugely deteriorated (with the exception of the new fast 0630). For example the 1630 now has 10 stops and takes 3 hours: others are not much better. The 1730 (which used to be the main evening up express service is now 2 h 25m and has about 6 stops).
I would imagine tha punctuality will go to hell with so many stops (even allowing for the existing padding). Then will they try to restore punctuality by adding another 10 minutes next year?
All this when the new Dublin-Cork motorway will be complete. So much for rising to meet the challenge!
Mark Gleeson
04-11-2009, 14:58
The half hourly service to Greystones (for which demand is not there, 45 minutes maybe) is implemented by having a second train it appears, the second departing immediately after the firsts arrival. The 33 minute turnaround allows for a drivers 30 minute break so should reduce staff change delays
I can see this going badly wrong as it requires a level of precision unheard of from IE. Now what happens if a train is 10 minutes late into Bray, it can either delay the next Greystones train by 7 minutes or sit in Bray for a further 7 minutes while a train comes up from Greystones and arrive 17 minutes late.
Iarnród Éireann has outlined a range of service changes to take effect later this month.
The highlight of the changes, which will be introduced from November 29th, will be a new joint service in each direction between Dublin and Galway / Westport.
The new Intercity railcar fleet which now operates these routes give the flexibility to introduce European-style “split and join” services.
Two new early bird Monday to Friday services, an 05.15 Westport to Dublin and 06.05 Galway to Dublin will leave Westport and Galway as two three-carriage trains, and will join together at Athlone to complete the journey as one service.
Similarly, a new 15.30 service from Dublin to Galway/Westport will operate from Dublin to Athlone as one train, and split at Athlone, with the front 3 carriages operating to Galway, and the rear 3 carriages to Westport. This will increase the number of trains on these route from three to four each way daily for Westport, and from seven to eight each way daily for Galway.
The new Intercity railcar fleet allows the company to expand services on both routes in an economical way, meaning that even in this difficult economic environment, we can bring service improvements to these routes in a cost-effective manner. This has been the focus of our service review, to ensure we maintain strong services while controlling costs.
OTHER MAJOR SERVICE CHANGES FROM 29TH NOVEMBER
Note: Customers on all routes should check departure times from 29th November for all services, as there may be minor changes, including some earlier departure times.
Waterford-Dublin
A new express 07.10 Waterford to Heuston service (Monday to Saturday) will be introduced, with one intermediate stop only, at Carlow. This service will deliver a journey time of two hours from Waterford to Dublin, ideal for customers with business and other appointments in the capital. In addition, it offers an express commuter service from Carlow, serving Carlow at 8.06, and arriving in Dublin in 64 minutes.
Journey time savings of up to 15 minutes will be delivered on many services on the Dublin/Waterford route due to the operational improvements delivered by the new fleet. Most journey times will be between 2 hours 15 and 2 hours 30 minutes on the route.
Westport – Dublin & Galway - Dublin
As well as the new “split and join” services detailed above, journey time improvements will be delivered on most services, with journey time savings of up to 17 minutes.
The first morning weekday service from Dublin to Westport and Galway will also be an amalgamated service at 07.30hrs, splitting at Athlone.
The 6.05 service from Galway to Dublin will also operate on Saturdays.
Cork – Dublin & Tralee - Dublin
The 06.30 Cork to Dublin service will serve Mallow only en route, to deliver an express service with a journey time of 2 hours 30 minutes.
This will also deliver, through a connection from the 05.20 Tralee to Mallow/Cork service, a journey time of 3 hours 40 minutes from Tralee to Dublin, and 3 hours 15 minutes from Killarney to Dublin.
One service in each direction will be removed (19.30 Cork to Heuston and 20.00 Heuston to Cork), with the last services remaining as the 20.30 Cork to Heuston and 21.00 Heuston to Cork, and a total of 14 services each way daily.
Limerick – Dublin
The number of services each way daily will increase from 15 to 16, with an increase in the number of connecting services at Limerick Junction, and a decrease in direct services.
Rosslare Europort/Wexford – Dublin
The number of direct services for Wexford increase to five, with the extension of the 16.30 Connolly to Wexford (previously terminated at Gorey), and 17.30 Connolly to Wexford (previously terminated at Enniscorthy.
There will also be an additional evening direct service from Wexford to Dublin at 19.30. In addition, there will be increased use of the new Intercity railcar fleet on the route.
Sligo – Dublin (incl. Longford / Mullingar commuter)
A new early morning 5.45 service from Longford to Pearse will be introduced, offering an additional commuting option for customers from Longford, Edgesworthtown, and Mullingar. In addition, the 17.05 Connolly to Sligo service will have an additional stop at Maynooth, offering an express evening commute option for Maynooth commuters.
DART services
In a major review of DART schedules, a new regular 15-minute interval service is to be introduced across the full day (Monday to Saturday), with additional services operating at peak times (Monday to Friday) to match demand.
This will result in Greystones seeing a major increase in services with every second DART serving the Co Wicklow town, resulting in a service every 30 minutes (Monday to Friday).
This, together with Rosslare and Wexford/Arklow services, will see the service frequency from Greystones to Dublin go up from 33 trains daily to 42.
The regular interval service will eliminate occasional significant gaps in service at off-peak times, and give an easily understandable pattern of services through the day for customers.
Waterford to Limerick Junction
Service frequency will be revised from four trains each way daily to three.
Other routes and intermediate stations
Customers are again reminded to check times of travel for all journeys from 29th November onwards, on all routes and for intermediate stations.
Full details for the new schedules are now available on www.irishrail.ie via the timetable, and downloadable route specific pdfs will be available very shortly.
http://www.irishrail.ie/news_centre/news.asp?action=view&news_id=551
So the current early morning departure from Enfield (7ish) is now extended to longford in the new timetable
Mark Gleeson
04-11-2009, 16:18
That with the extra morning train eliminates the empty movements of the past, extending the Enfield train also means it doesn't run empty from Connolly. Fairly sure this solution was posted on this form last year
PLUMB LOCO
04-11-2009, 16:18
I still cannot find any information on www.irishrail.ie about the new timetables for the Rosslare line....please for the love of.....will someone post a direct link here. Thank you!!!:mad:
Hey plumbloco just search using the journey planner amend the date to after the 28th to see the new times
PLUMB LOCO
04-11-2009, 16:24
Thanks!
paddyb180285
04-11-2009, 16:39
While I am very impressed with the overall change of frequency. However, I don't get the way the morning Bray - Drogheda service no longer calls at Dalkey at 10:36. This is also the same with the Bray - Longford service in the evenning at 17:44. The only Commuter that will be calling at Dalkey is the morning Balbriggan service at 09:12. Also, on further note is that the Balbriggan service no longer calls at Glenageary or Sandycove. Other than this, I am very impressed with a pattern based (clockface) timetable.
Can the DART clockface timetabling (/15 Minuten Takt, as I am hoping will catch on in Hiberno-English) be run by the existing fleet without cutting capacity on individual trains? or are they relying on additional trains cutting the loads?
Mark Gleeson
04-11-2009, 16:40
More like stack loads parked up
Kilocharlie
04-11-2009, 17:09
The new timetable brings about a few changes:
More even morning up service with the gap between 7:18 and 7:48 filled with a new 7:30 service and followed by 7:44, 7:51, 7:59 and 8:10. The old 8:14 is gone and 8:35 deferred to 8:45.
Few changes in evening ex Dublin apart from 18:35 deferred to 18:40.
Late evening completely changed: 20:00 gone, 20:05 and 20:35 merged to 20:10, 21:45, 22:15 and 23:00 replaced with hourly 20:10,21:10,22:10 and 23:10 stopping all stations.
Also noticeable is that all services are slated as Intercity or Suburban - so perhaps the 2 29K sets are being replaced by 22K's.
In a new departure, the on-line timetable is now stating arrival/departure platforms in Heuston
looks like its been brought forward to 16.18
I think that is the Rosslare train which has been delayed no to get rid of the 16.20 as the Rosslare train was 1549 from Lansdowne Road but now 1604
Dublin-Galway/Westport is a farce particularly services towards Dublin.
Appaling padding. Reduction in services on the Portarlington-Athlone section. 3 hour gap from 16:35 to 19:34 and then 35 minutes to the the last train.
robdrysdale
05-11-2009, 12:09
Irish rail still seem to thing everyone starts work at 9am and finishes at 5pm in Dublin. 2 extra trains between 8 and 9 then straight back to 4 per hour, every 15 mins, between 9 and 10. Same between 5 and 6, and back to 4 per hour at 6pm.
Although the weirdness has been removed from the current timetable. No large gaps going South on Northside if you miss the 8.45. The weird Malahide train in the evening that skips Killester, Raheny, Harmonstown and Kilbarrick is gone. This seems like a reduction in service to me. It's seems like a Sunday timetable every day. Very disappointing. Realistically 10 mins is the absolute maximum a commuter service should be operating at. After that as a passenger, you're likely to worry about waiting and take the car. Maybe that's what they want.
Really it should be every 5 mins.
Another win for The Greens on an important issue !!!
Mark Gleeson
05-11-2009, 12:29
The off peak DART service is a massive improvement, no question. Its clockface and consistent through the day. The huge gap after 7pm going southbound and the gaps after 10pm are gone. I know far too many people who have gone to bus or car as a result of the current farce of a timetable, with a bit of luck this will draw them back
Morning there is 1 fewer train inbound from the southside before 9, but a better spacing of trains which will improve punctuality. The post 9am situation is cleaned up as well.
Peak hour southbound there is a problem in the 5pm-7pm bracket its actually really painful to review the timetable online, we have to wait for a pdf version to see the full picture
The big question is how will all these trains to Greystones work, it looks like a direct route to chaos
Sunday service is either 20 minutes or 30 minutes, the weekday is at least every 15 minutes off peak, which is completely inline with the targets.
Nothing major on the Maynooth-Clonsilla front except....
17:05hrs connolly Sligo now calls at Maynooth
09:30hrs Clonsilla Docklands cancelled but new 15:52hrs Connolly Clonsilla
The knock ons from the Rosslare-Gorey have been directly replaced with services leaving pearse and vice versa only the 16:52hrs Maynooth Enniscorthy hasnt been replaced.
The morning peak hour services still vary between 15-20 minutes which is still good. The only annoyance is no longer evening clockface times out of pearse.
I've also seen a new 09:05hrs Clonsilla Connolly service (gets into connolly at 09:30) :)
Still no later sunday evening service though :mad:
Otherwise all good.
Roll on next years timetable with the introduction of pace services! :)
Kilocharlie
05-11-2009, 16:14
PDF 2010 timetables now on line!
only the 16:52hrs Maynooth Enniscorthy hasnt been replaced.
Correction, there is still a service departing from Maynooth at 16:53 to Wexford calls at Leixlip louisa bridge, coolmine and drumcondra
Mark Gleeson
05-11-2009, 16:41
PDF 2010 timetables now on line!
You will note a new level of honesty in the printed timetables. This is as a result of EC/1371/2007 which requires certain information such as carraige of bicycles. Rail Users Ireland together with various cycling groups have met with Irish Rail and sought significant changes in the manner in which IE deals with bikes, first point - tell us which trains bikes can be carried on
EC/1371/2007 which comes into force on December 3rd 2009 raises a large number of issues for Irish Rail's entire approach to running the railway. There is no clear way to know which trains are ICR and which are 2800 and thus which trains carry bicycles some form of icon or note would be required in the timetable. Unlike European timetables there is no indication of which trains are intercity (e.g IC) operated and which are regional
commuter trains (e.g RE/RB).
You will also note Irish Rail finally admit in public to the messy bus transfers in Ballina on Saturday
EnterpriseUser
05-11-2009, 17:05
What happened plans for Premier service on some of the Sligo services?
Kilocharlie
05-11-2009, 17:46
The Dublin-Cork (intermediate stations) timetable states that bikes can be carried on all services except Mallow-Cork-Cobh/Midleton. As this timetable also includes all Dublin-Newbridge/Kildare commuter services, it implies that these will be ICR only with no 29K services as these have no bike capacity. Also they are classified as 'Suburban' on the on-line timetable.
Who looses 2 ICR sets and who gains 2 29Ks?
Mark Gleeson
05-11-2009, 18:26
Loser is Limerick
Its all part of the plan, all trains beyond Hazelhatch will be 22k, commuter services from Hazelhatch to Heuston will be 29k
The 29K fleet has been in service close on 6 years now, painting and overhauls are getting underway, that accounts for 1 and it will also mean no more short trains which covers the second. At times 28 of the 29 sets where in service, the target was 24 or 25 so hopefully we get a bit more reliability
Colm Moore
05-11-2009, 18:54
In a new departure, the on-line timetable is now stating arrival/departure platforms in HeustonThis is strange, given the way they have been managing the information on the departures board in Heuston.
Mark Gleeson
05-11-2009, 18:57
Don't trust the numbers, they did this in the past and there were trains for Kildare using platform 10 according to the online system, yet platform 10 had been closed for a year!
Kilocharlie
05-11-2009, 19:00
Its all part of the plan, all trains beyond Hazelhatch will be 22k, commuter services from Hazelhatch to Heuston will be 29k
Presumable that's after the KRP goes live next August?
Loser is Limerick
Its all part of the plan, all trains beyond Hazelhatch will be 22k, commuter services from Hazelhatch to Heuston will be 29k
Is this to do with the speed advantage of the 22k vs. 29k?
Also, not all 22k sets have bike racks installed (I know about the cupboard). Is there plans to retrofit the rest of the fleet?
Mark Gleeson
05-11-2009, 20:37
The entire fleet is to be fitted and should be at this stage, the rack is in the A3 coach so 223xx numbered, thats the coach with the wheelchair space. We are waiting for a bike sticker to be placed on the door as well
22k has a serious performance advantage beyond Hazelhatch
tigger1962
06-11-2009, 09:01
I see my early morning train from Dundalk is leaving 5 minutes earlier but still gets to dublin around the same time, with the extra stop in Gormanston... :mad:
I was hoping the 09.10 enterprise would remain but it looks like its gone... overall Service from/to Dundalk is as bad as ever
tigger1962
06-11-2009, 09:05
I also see the 18.40 from Connolly no longer serves Dundalk!! So it pushes more people onto the 19.00 enterprise
ACustomer
06-11-2009, 10:14
What is it with the IE website. The new printed timetables are available in PDF format, but some of the files won't open, and one gets an error message: "error regarding linearised hint data".
This has happened on two separate computers at different locations, so it seems to be an IE problem. Having links to PDF files which can actually be downloaded is not exactly rocket science!
Mark Gleeson
06-11-2009, 10:21
Just tried every single one of the 2010 pdf's no problems at all
There are in pdf 1.2 format which is quite old so even the most simplistic pdf reader shouldn't have any problems
dowlingm
06-11-2009, 16:06
I've been looking at Dublin-Athenry-Gort/Ennis connections. Without the full timetable it's hard to know what the comparative times to Ennis will be like but this is what I have so far (Mon-Fri)
Dublin towards Ennis at Athenry
Arr from Athlone WB, Dep from Athenry SB
Arr XXXX Dep 0656 (no connection)
Arr 0957 Dep 1003 (6 minutes)
Arr 1149 Dep 1226 (37 minutes)
Arr 1347 Dep 1446 (59 minutes)
Arr 1648 or 1747 Dep 1741 (53 minutes or no connection - how about delaying 6-7 minutes lads?)
Ennis towards Dublin at Athenry
Dep towards Galway ex Ennis, Dep towards Athlone EB
Dep XXXX Dep 0518/0618/0718 (no connection)
Dep 0808 Dep 0918 (1h10m)
Dep 1119 Dep 1118 (assuming arrival 1118 maybe a connection there)
Dep 1335 Dep 1318 (no connection) or 1518 (1hr43)
Dep 1556 Dep 1818 ( > 2hr)
Dep 1945 Dep 2228 ( > 2hr)
Unless I'm reading this wrong, it seems like an anti-Palerailer has infiltrated IE timetabling dept :)
Colm Moore
06-11-2009, 21:44
No trains running after midnight at all.
alanperkins
07-11-2009, 10:26
The big question is how will all these trains to Greystones work, it looks like a direct route to chaos
I know nothing about rail transport, but thinking about it, isn't there now a vastly increased chance of a north/south head on Dart collision on the single track Bray/Greystones stretch ?
Do Darts have automatic collision avoidance systems ?
Mark Gleeson
07-11-2009, 11:11
That was never a risk, full ATP is provided on the entire DART route
Kilocharlie
07-11-2009, 13:08
On the new timetable, the 0800 and 0900 ex-Heuston and the 1130 and 1230 ex-Cork are shown as having 2nd class only. Could these be the mooted 3-car ICR services?
Mark Gleeson
07-11-2009, 13:19
Yes they are ICR services. Passenger numbers on both are very poor. That said expect Mk4 operation on Fridays
The 10:00 from Dublin was notorious for carrying 50-60 people midweek leaving 350 seats empty.
Despite not being Mk4, I'm told a train host will travel onboard
Colm Moore
07-11-2009, 21:57
I know nothing about rail transport, but thinking about it, isn't there now a vastly increased chance of a north/south head on Dart collision on the single track Bray/Greystones stretch ?
Do Darts have automatic collision avoidance systems ?there is only ever likely to be one DART on that section.
Can the DART clockface timetabling (/15 Minuten Takt, as I am hoping will catch on in Hiberno-English) be run by the existing fleet without cutting capacity on individual trains? or are they relying on additional trains cutting the loads?
Shouldn't be any need for additional trains, given that by my count there's actually 5 less services each day.
This seems like a reduction in service to me. It's seems like a Sunday timetable every day. Very disappointing. Realistically 10 mins is the absolute maximum a commuter service should be operating at. After that as a passenger, you're likely to worry about waiting and take the car. Maybe that's what they want.
Really it should be every 5 mins.
Another win for The Greens on an important issue !!!
It is a reduction in service, any claim to the contrary by IE is pure spin.
I'm probably not going to renew my annual commuter this year, I've had enough, I'd rather drive.
The off peak DART service is a massive improvement, no question. Its clockface and consistent through the day. The huge gap after 7pm going southbound and the gaps after 10pm are gone. I know far too many people who have gone to bus or car as a result of the current farce of a timetable, with a bit of luck this will draw them back
There's one 34 minute gap southbound, there's 2 25-minute gaps.
On the old timetable, the longest gap was 30 mins and everything else was under 25 mins.
There's only 9 gaps a day of less than 15 minutes
Overall the new timetable is worse than the old one.
The new intercity carriages may be a good thing but timings! :eek: to gorey
time 2009 2010
early morn 1:51 1:51 0
late morn 1:52 n/a
lunchtime 1:38 1:52 0:14
eve peak 1 (16h) 1:53 1:52 -0:01
eve peak 2 (17h) 1:54 2:00 0:06
eve peak 3 (18h) 1:47 1:54 0:07
only benefit is 1 minute off the 16:30/16:40 connolly gorey/wexford service
extra 26 minutes in total and 1 service less for gorey passengers
The new timetable for Gorey / Wexford trains is an absolute joke. I am sick and tired of sitting at each station and outside Greystones for 5 minutes on the way up, complete buffering and in some cases in the new timetable the journey is now even longer. It is a ridiculously long journey that should be a lot shorter and in no way are we getting any value for the amount we pay for a ticket. I am fuming and completely disheartened and now have to approach my manager with the new timetable to try work out what hours I can work (as they will have to change) in order to get to and from Dublin. Not one of the trains to and from Dublin corresponds to allow for an 8 hour working day no matter when you start or finish those 8 hours. Don't even get me started on the lack of a late train either, total joke all round
The new timetable for Gorey / Wexford trains is an absolute joke. I am sick and tired of sitting at each station and outside Greystones for 5 minutes on the way up, complete buffering and in some cases in the new timetable the journey is now even longer. It is a ridiculously long journey that should be a lot shorter and in no way are we getting any value for the amount we pay for a ticket. I am fuming and completely disheartened and now have to approach my manager with the new timetable to try work out what hours I can work (as they will have to change) in order to get to and from Dublin. Not one of the trains to and from Dublin corresponds to allow for an 8 hour working day no matter when you start or finish those 8 hours. Don't even get me started on the lack of a late train either, total joke all round
100% agreement! I heard a comment a good while back from someone living in Gorey to say if even there was a 2-coach 2600 set running from bray or Greystones to Gorey at 10.00pm people would use it! people would take the dart to greystones and connect with it!
For some reason CIE think that all people on the gorey line want is 22ks. For people who work later than 18:30 this is irrelavant. There are a few people on the line I know who dont care! They prefer frequency and timing over train types! Stick a 29k on the line at 21:00hrs.
Same logic applies with Mullingar passengers. Stcik a 29k on that line and run it after 21:00hrs, and you can be gauranteed it will be used!
100% agreement! I heard a comment a good while back from someone living in Gorey to say if even there was a 2-coach 2600 set running from bray or Greystones to Gorey at 10.00pm people would use it! people would take the dart to greystones and connect with it!
For some reason CIE think that all people on the gorey line want is 22ks. For people who work later than 18:30 this is irrelavant. There are a few people on the line I know who dont care! They prefer frequency and timing over train types! Stick a 29k on the line at 21:00hrs.
Same logic applies with Mullingar passengers. Stcik a 29k on that line and run it after 21:00hrs, and you can be gauranteed it will be used!
The new timetable for Gorey / Wexford trains is an absolute joke. I am sick and tired of sitting at each station and outside Greystones for 5 minutes on the way up, complete buffering and in some cases in the new timetable the journey is now even longer. It is a ridiculously long journey that should be a lot shorter and in no way are we getting any value for the amount we pay for a ticket. I am fuming and completely disheartened and now have to approach my manager with the new timetable to try work out what hours I can work (as they will have to change) in order to get to and from Dublin. Not one of the trains to and from Dublin corresponds to allow for an 8 hour working day no matter when you start or finish those 8 hours. Don't even get me started on the lack of a late train either, total joke all round
100% agee with the 2 of you, The new timetable is a joke. I honestly do not care what type of train it is the new trains are meant to reduce time :confused: :confused: . Personally the 29k is perfect good acceleration bla bla.. its a train thats it..
There should be a late train than 18.30 its almost 2010 and still we see 18.30 for the last service. I am really disappointed about the new timetable.
The timetable I uploaded which I got from IE on 28July would have suited alot but still the last service is 18.30:confused: :confused: WHY:confused: :confused:
shweeney
09-11-2009, 15:41
No trains running after midnight at all.
not quite:
http://tinyurl.com/y92q392
not quite:
http://tinyurl.com/y92q392
throw in the 23.20 connolly drogheda and subsequent dundalk connection
Looks like based on the online timetable (also heard rumours on it) and probably due to the clockface timetable platforms 6 and 7 at connolly come back into play for the last evening services out of connolly.
For some reason CIE think that all people on the gorey line want is 22ks. For people who work later than 18:30 this is irrelavant. There are a few people on the line I know who dont care! They prefer frequency and timing over train types! Stick a 29k on the line at 21:00hrs.
I couldn't care less on the train type anyway or taking any kind of connector DART if it commenced at Greystones only. If I have to stay in Dublin later than 18:30 (Yes IE, shocker that this happens I know!) I have to get a Bus Eireann bus to Wicklow town and get picked up from there. All at the cost of another ticket and reliant on someone being around to pick me up!
I couldn't care less on the train type anyway or taking any kind of connector DART if it commenced at Greystones only. If I have to stay in Dublin later than 18:30 (Yes IE, shocker that this happens I know!) I have to get a Bus Eireann bus to Wicklow town and get picked up from there. All at the cost of another ticket and reliant on someone being around to pick me up!
I remember talking to a manager at IE a year or two ago and when he had mention that off-peak services were less busy. When I mentioned that the likes of the 19:00, 19:30 20:00 and 21:00 even the 21:55 to Maynooth were doing well he pointed out to me that they were peak hour services! :eek: He had pointed out that the lifestyle and work patterns of passengers had changed and they had to change with it. These services are quiet often all seats taken with people standing. You'll notice none of them have been chopped.
I took the 23:10 pearse maynooth 3 times last week and while not packed to the rafters there were very few seats left!
You would have thought that this sort of demand on the Maynooth and Drogheda lines would have incentivised them to try the gorey and mullingar lines.I dont know why management are afraid of taking risks on the gorey and Mullingar lines. They should at least try it out leading up to christmas. they would be suprised.
Presumable that's after the KRP goes live next August?
It may have happened already. Could be just an accident but the 1055 Newbridge - Heuston is a 22k 6-car set this morning.
Kilocharlie
16-11-2009, 18:35
It may have happened already. Could be just an accident but the 1055 Newbridge - Heuston is a 22k 6-car set this morning.
More likely a 29K unit failed - it also did the 0835 from Kildare. The new timetable has Platform 1 in Heuston for Newbridge/Kildare services and it can only handle a 3 car ICR.
Thomas Ralph
16-11-2009, 18:56
Platforms are a movable feast.
More likely a 29K unit failed - it also did the 0835 from Kildare. The new timetable has Platform 1 in Heuston for Newbridge/Kildare services and it can only handle a 3 car ICR.
Today's Kildare commuter services were operated by a 3 car and a 6 car 22k set.
Colm Moore
17-11-2009, 17:20
DART timetable is up now. http://www.irishrail.ie/your_journey/printed_timetable_pdfs/2010/IE%20-%202009-10%20DART%20and%20Com.pdf
shweeney
25-11-2009, 14:04
IE don't seem to be publicising this new timetable very well - theres a tiny notice on the website, but no posters in the stations (that I've seen).
Some of the changes are quite radical and a lot of people are going to be affected on Monday - they should be running radio ads, posters on trains, the whole shebang...
Mark Gleeson
25-11-2009, 14:30
There are posters on board the trains.
For such a major change in Dublin the advertising effort is very poor
tigger1962
26-11-2009, 15:18
they handed out new timetables in Dundalk this morning.. many more unhappy commuters after they started reading them :mad:
paddyb180285
27-11-2009, 19:24
they handed out new timetables in Dundalk this morning.. many more unhappy commuters after they started reading them :mad:
I see that this timetable is valid until further notice. Does this mean that if more trains are needed, the timetable will evolve?
By this I mean, if stations get over crowded will services be added to reflect the demand?
I had a strange situation with the new timetables yesterday. Went to Tara St. station to ask for them and I was told that they are not printed any more as part of 'cutbacks' and I should go to the IR website and - if I wanted - print them from there. I thought it was a joke at first but the man was dead serious.
This wouldn't be such a bad idea in the end but you can't print them in the same format yourself - it's a pdf with one 'strip' on each page and the original printout has three (the page is bigger than A4 as well).
Couldn't really believe it so I went to Connolly and - surprise, surprise - got one easily. This time I was told that they're being dispatched at the moment and should be there at every station once they get theirs.
So the first information was completely wrong and potentially damaging to IR reputation: the posters on stations and in trains say that the new timetable 'is available from your local station' so if you go there and learn that this is not true, understandably you are likely to call that crowd 'a bunch of dirty liars' straight away.
Does it mean you can get something from IR only if you're really stubborn and don't believe what their employees tell you? Is this somewhere in their customer charter, I wonder?
Ronald Binge
27-11-2009, 21:29
This appears to be standard procedure with a lot of IR staff - I've been buying the "book" in its various incarnations since 1979 and in the vast majority of cases ticket office staff have attempted to put me off buying it in some way or another.
Thomas Ralph
28-11-2009, 09:39
I see that this timetable is valid until further notice. Does this mean that if more trains are needed, the timetable will evolve?
By this I mean, if stations get over crowded will services be added to reflect the demand?
No, it just means that they do not have a definite future planned date for a new timetable to come out.
Wonder will the flooding postpone the introduction of the split Galway-Westport train.
Mark Gleeson
28-11-2009, 19:53
The spilt service will operate but won't split at Athlone
I am still without a timetable Connolly had them but refused to sell me a copy
Traincustomer
28-11-2009, 20:46
I'm confused, today after arriving into Heuston (by train) I asked at Customer Services for a timetable book. I was told there wasn't one and was asked what lines I wanted times for. I politely responded for all routes (as I normally buy the timetable book each year). I was told that they didn't have timetables for all routes, and was given a small selection of route timetables.
What a shambles.
In the UK books and leaflets are readily available at stations well in advance of timetable changes (at least that's been my experience to date). The web is fine but doesn't suit all users at all times.
Mark Gleeson
28-11-2009, 21:30
The national timetable in the UK is done by three private companies currently
There is a book, at least one poster on this forum has obtained a copy. I've seen it but was refused when I wanted to buy it. Staff have their own special timetable book so why on earth are they refusing to sell the public edition
Dun Laoghaire, Blackrock and Tara Street had nothing at all in the way of timetables
An new all route timetable has been printed but from what I am told it is only for staff use and will not be sold to the general public this year.
Mark Gleeson
29-11-2009, 01:22
But the staff have a quite separate timetable, A4 sized.
At least 1 copy has been sold
Colm Moore
29-11-2009, 09:18
Assuming that customers are paying at least the marginal cost (essentially the cost of printing and distribution) of the timetable, selling them is a good idea.
Mark Gleeson
29-11-2009, 11:17
Irish Rail always stated that the timetabled was charged for to cover production costs.
Irish Rail always stated that the timetabled was charged for to cover production costs.
How about sticking a PDF on their site?
Mark Gleeson
30-11-2009, 15:50
After several more attempts, I found another station with a copy of the timetable. I got to see the back page which states 'Internal Company Use Only'
What is strange is there already is a staff timetable, so why bother producing two?
1094
No station I've visited had the pocket timetables bar Connolly but even Connolly was short on most routes.
Arrived home (in Mallow) on Friday, the 2009/10 Mallow - Cork - Cobh - Midleton pocket size timetable had arrived with the post.
At Kent Station on Saturday they were handing out the same timetable.
Arrived at my parents house (in Midleton) on Saturday and they were after getting the same timetable in the post as well.
Is the book version available? I'm confused after reading all the board message :confused:
Mark Gleeson
30-11-2009, 16:33
The book is being sold, it depends on where you are and who is behind the counter
Will see if they will sell me one tomorrow morning @ Kent Station.
Mark Gleeson
30-11-2009, 18:44
Reports from the field of lots of cold and unhappy passengers, lots of people standing who normally got a seat and so on.
Irish Rail as always denied there even was a reduction in peak hour service in this mornings metro after our press release
http://www.railusers.ie/news/news.php?year=2009&no=15.html
Numbers don't lie
Will see if they will sell me one tomorrow morning @ Kent Station.
Was rushing this morning for the number 5 bus, so I did not get a chance to ask @ Kent Station, but @ Mallow I was told that "its not coming out in book form this year".
Ronald Binge
03-12-2009, 13:53
But the staff have a quite separate timetable, A4 sized.
At least 1 copy has been sold
I'm in Connolly Station at the moment and I have been definitively told by Customer Service that the timetable booklet is not being sold to the public and is only being made available to station staff.
Filled in a comment form requesting that the PDFs available on the Website be changed to the Booklet format as the leaflet format is unwieldy.
Time for an Irish Bradshaw I reckon if Irish Rail won't do it.
I am a little bit lost as to why anyone would want the #1 book of fiction in book form.
In reality, it should not be necessary at all, as the trains should be consistent and clockface.
Other then that, who needs the whole book. (Does it fit in the pocket of a parka?):eek:
PLUMB LOCO
03-12-2009, 16:57
The production of the book form of the timetable is yet another ongoing farce. It should be an important marketing tool for the railway and I have been chasing CIE/IE for a number of years to advertise their own products in it - such as the former "Rail Rambler" ticket, Fastrack, their own late lamented" Brasserie na Mara" but like so much else in CIE/IE it couldn't be done! In years gone by (1950s and 1960s) Sweet Afton cigarettes used to be the main external advertisers. A list of station buffets (!) used to also be included and while these are now an endangered species there are a few survivors.
Many people travel countrywide by rail and the book timetable is what they require not a handful of pocket sized leaflets which always end up mislaid. I am amused to see that another moribund concern "Tourism Ireland" is now embarking on a major promotion of Ireland in Britain and what better way to get people around the country than rail - of course that would be using the much trumpeted but rarely seen concept of 'joined-up thinking'. :mad:
shweeney
03-12-2009, 17:04
copy the PDF into a text file, edit out the extraneous info and save it on your phone...
here's one I made earlier for Greystones:
Ronald Binge
03-12-2009, 19:41
I am a little bit lost as to why anyone would want the #1 book of fiction in book form.
In reality, it should not be necessary at all, as the trains should be consistent and clockface.
Other then that, who needs the whole book. (Does it fit in the pocket of a parka?):eek:
That's a bit bloody snide. I do travel a bit at the weekends and do use the train. A book is a lot more convenient than either 1. firing up the computer or 2. digging out fiddly leaflets.
dowlingm
04-12-2009, 03:26
Some folks around my area got sick and tired of waiting for stuff to happen so they developed their own iPhone app.
http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/reviews/ttc-routesschedules-on-your-iphone-red-rocket/
A fundraising idea for RUI?
Mark Gleeson
04-12-2009, 10:10
There are already 2 apps, but without the full staff timetable (itself now split into at least 3 editions) its pretty hard to build a proper application
ACustomer
04-12-2009, 10:27
Oisin 88: I'm afraid I have to take issue with your message of yesterday in which you don't see why anyone would want a timetable booklet.
That's probably the attitude which IE management have: the mindset which thinks it knows what the customer wants. Also your premise that a clockface timetable renders detailed timetables un-necessary is false: regular clockface timetables are by no means the rule on IE: even Dublin-Cork has its gaps.
Traincustomer
04-12-2009, 16:59
A hard-copy (i.e. printed) timetable is a necessity even in this, the internet age.
I have purchased the timetable book each year for over the last two decades. Its apparent demise is a sad day.
With a timetable book one can flick through the pages and plan a one-route or multi-route journey quite quickly, jotting down the key times on a page.
With individual leaflets the process is slowed a lot.
To print out all the route timetables one ideally needs to get an A4 ring binder with plastic pockets and all-in-all by the time the job is done there may be time left out of two hours for a cup of tea after which you may need to visit a computer store to replace the ink cartridges that have been gulped during the process.
On a day out or short break many people don't want to bring a laptop. Certainly nobody wants an enforced visit to an internet cafe or library.
Certainly the internet is great, but not the exclusive replacement of printed material. Throwaway remarks to the effect of ah sure it's on the internet what would one want a (printed) timetable for are sadly becoming too common in transport companies these days and demonstrate a lack of understanding of how the customer base accesses information.
Roll on the Irish Bradshaw. A definite business opportunity.
Mark Gleeson
04-12-2009, 17:14
But Irish Rail claim copyright if they didn't we would have a printable b&w pdf available by now
If anyone is interested I can provide following
Departure times and destinations for all services ex Connolly, departure times for all services southbound Lansdowne Rd
The magical DART office (the same people who said no DART after U2 concerts and then ran 4 trains) are considering changes, but as always its more a case of saying that than actually doing something
Thomas Ralph
04-12-2009, 17:20
It's highly questionable that a train timetable attracts copyright, see threshold of originality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threshold_of_originality).
Colm Moore
04-12-2009, 23:41
Certainly the internet is great, but not the exclusive replacement of printed material. Throwaway remarks to the effect of ah sure it's on the internet what would one want a (printed) timetable for are sadly becoming too common in transport companies these days and demonstrate a lack of understanding of how the customer base accesses information.Oh the irony. If only government and councils would put everything on the internet rather than having to call to their offices.
Traincustomer
05-12-2009, 14:40
My comments were specifically in relation to transport but equally, as you mentioned, the reverse needs to apply i.e. public authorities should have information, forms etc... available on their respective websites.
The key point is that information should co-exist in both internet and hard copy forms, so that the public can access the information in the most convenient way at the time they need it.
What in my view is wrong are the assumptions that everyone can call and collect hard copy material and that there is no need to put much on the respective websites or that everyone can regardless of place, time or circumstance readily access the web and that there is no need to have any printed matter.
Ronald Binge
06-12-2009, 11:55
Here's some possible reasons why the "Book" isn't being made available this year.
1. Last year's print run was too large due to a cock up.
2. Last year's print run was too large deliberately so that few would be made available this year - see the next reason.
2. The Unions want a reason for the public to go to Station staff for information, hence the reluctance down through the years to making it available to the public.
Transport system or outdoor relief scheme for its workers? I wonder.
Some folks around my area got sick and tired of waiting for stuff to happen so they developed their own iPhone app.
http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/reviews/ttc-routesschedules-on-your-iphone-red-rocket/
A fundraising idea for RUI?
There is some iPhone apps already, apparently
http://www.facebook.com/notes/irish-rail/phone-apps-for-dart-customers/187125779957
Looks like they both just scrape the real time info from the website though and don't actually do the timetable.
Traincustomer
06-12-2009, 13:32
So I guess the traditional public timetable book has been consigned to history despite the fact that the publication of the book is one of the Passenger's Charter commitments...(page 5)
Where's Irish Rail's consultation with its customer base?
And the book that a few posters on this forum have been fortunate to obtain would I imagine be the Working Timetable book (an internal timetable that too has been published for years).
Perhaps a poll on the whole timetable issue would be of merit.
Colm Moore
06-12-2009, 14:39
2. The Unions want a reason for the public to go to Station staff for information, hence the reluctance down through the years to making it available to the public.But they would then have to do work!
That's a bit bloody snide. I do travel a bit at the weekends and do use the train. A book is a lot more convenient than either 1. firing up the computer or 2. digging out fiddly leaflets.
It's a small network. The trains are never on time anyway.
There are alot of things they need to get right before they bother about a book.
PLUMB LOCO
07-12-2009, 20:25
It's a small network. The trains are never on time anyway.
There are alot of things they need to get right before they bother about a book.
Nonsense the service is not that bad and a book timetable is, and always has been, an indespensable item - not all of us are living in the Greater Dublin Area.
Nonsense the service is not that bad and a book timetable is, and always has been, an indespensable item - not all of us are living in the Greater Dublin Area.
Yes the service is that bad. 100% of the trains have been late for me since the new timetable. My annual ticket doesn't work in the barriers. There is thousands of euro of ticket barriers in heuston and a booking system on the galway line which are not being used. Service has disimproved. Trains are smaller. Catering is abysmal and unpredictable, frequently run out of even basic things like boiling water for teas/coffees, no sandwiches on lunchtime trains towards Dublin. Ridiculous padding in the timetables. Stupid vouchers as refunds for late trains when I have an annual ticket and if I need another ticket will buy it online. A rail company that pretends to consult the public by just telling them what they are going to do and refusing to look at any other options. New trains that are much bumpier. No space for bicycles. Timetables with no apparent logic... Pretending to be implementing clockface timetabling, but then only doing it at terminus stations. JOurney times longer than by road. No integration between trains and buses, or even between trains and trains. Bizarre ticketing arrangements, including a €6 add on to get to Connolly from Heuston!
Nobody has yet given a proper answer as to why the book is indispensable. Also, given that most of the population do live in the Dublin area, and what difference does that make anyway? The new timetable seems to be an unmitigated disaster in many other ways, with alot more waiting around for signals. And Ronald, despite you calling me "snide" you still have not made a clear case for the ****ing book.
PLUMB LOCO
08-12-2009, 09:28
Oisin88 while I agree with 99% of your post about the failings of CIE/IE, I don't see how adding to the problems by not producing a proper book timetable will help. Nobody is harder on CIE/IE than I - see my other posts here - however I think you are being a bit harsh on them as regards punctuality but of course I don't know of your personal experiences. The book timetable should be able to pay for itself or, God help us, make a profit and should be franchised out if CIE/IE are incapable of producing it. :)
PS My reference to the Dublin area is aimed at those whose only concern is the DART clockface timetable and who never use a train to venture outside the Capital.
A few reasons as to why the book timetable is needed :
- commuter and intercity passengers making connections to DARTs and vice versa
- bear in mind there is no dart and commuter timetable out. This was handy for someone travelling via dart to make a connection to the northern line.
- not all dart times are clockface look at malahide and also off peak and weekends services yet judging by a lack of timetable leaflets you wouldn't think so
people dont want to be carrying a number of small leaflets around at the bottom of their bag this book was handy for people taking different routes
given that there are so many complaints this is another reason why irish rail are so out of touch with their passengers
Oisin88 ..... but of course I don't know of your personal experiences.
My train is late again. The realtime timetable says that it will be 14 minutes late, which is convenient for the "statistics." Every train I have been on in the last week has had this sort of "creep lateness." All the 14 minuteses add up and it gets very irritating when you see it all coming out as 90+% on time. The fact that the journey to Tullamore could take 55 minutes, but is timetabled for 1:07, add the 14 minutes standard lateness, effectively there is an extra 50% on all of my journey times. Also, this train is fairly packed and is shaking like a 1950s jalopy on a dirt track. Also, I know when I get out late at Heuston, that I will have to queue up to show my annual ticket at the gate because (a) they haven't made the annual tickets smart card yet and (b) they seem to have given up on having people use the exit validation machines themselves.
I appreciate that by commuting out of Dublin I am not the average commuter, but think how much worse is it for the sardines packed in to the same trains going the other way. i apologise for getting irritated, but when all is said and done, I still think that the whole paper book thing is a little bit down the list of things, but I appreciate that other people have different views and like the old book system.
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