View Full Version : Route 90 Being Axed!
Just received a handout at Heuston station this morning stating that the 90 bus is being axed from next Monday 1st March as part of the cost cutting plan. This is obviously unacceptable and should not be allowed to go ahead.
Anyone who does not agree with this service cut should email the below with your thoughts and demand that the route is kept running:
minister@transport.ie
mick.matthews@dublinbus.ie (operations)
martin.duggan@dublinbus.ie (area manager)
So I presume we'll have to pay the LUAS supplement for trips to the city centre...
Any word on the 92? I've found myself using that increasingly frequently on trips to Dublin.
If they scrap the 90 and not the 92, the 92 will be insanely crowded on the bits where the routes overlap.
Mark Hennessy
25-02-2009, 10:23
Absolutely sickening yet typical lack of information and consultation with the customer.
You get two working days notice and you have to accept that.
CIE has to be abolished.
Mark Gleeson
25-02-2009, 10:26
There has been a lot of false information floating around in recent days on the bus cutbacks. Until Dublin Bus make a formal statement of the changes everything is speculation
The 90 route is not on the list I have seen, that said it is the biggest single loss maker in Dublin Bus, somewhere upwards of 1.5 million per annum. Its a classic case of public transport operators scrapping for a small market instead of working as a team. Luas offers a more reliable, more dependable service
If the 90 goes, expect the 90a/91 to formally appear to cut out the IFSC section at peak hour
Mark Hennessy
25-02-2009, 10:33
There has been a lot of false information floating around in recent days on the bus cutbacks. Until Dublin Bus make a formal statement of the changes everything is speculation
The 90 route is not on the list I have seen, that said it is the biggest single loss maker in Dublin Bus, somewhere upwards of 1.5 million per annum. Its a classic case of public transport operators scrapping for a small market instead of working as a team. Luas offers a more reliable, more dependable service
If the 90 goes, expect the 90a/91 to formally appear to cut out the IFSC section at peak hour
The first poster said that they received a handout this morning at Heuston.
Sounds official enough to me.
The issues I have with this:
No consultation with passengers, it is axe and be damned
Those with annual tickets that are not valid on the Luas are screwed
I agree, in a sensible country, folks would transfer from train to tram and no bus route would compete for that traffic.
This is Ireland and they are CIE a byword for incompetance
The 90 route is not on the list I have seen, that said it is the biggest single loss maker in Dublin Bus, somewhere upwards of 1.5 million per annum. Its a classic case of public transport operators scrapping for a small market instead of working as a team. Luas offers a more reliable, more dependable service
I am sure that the loss is as a result of midday services which would not be near capacity. The early morning (7am to 9.30am) services are jam packed, and at €1.30+ each way they must surely be making some profit. It would have made sense if they said they were reducing the off peak services but to target the commuters is crazy.
I agree that the Luas is a more dependable service, but the problem is that it is near capacity at these times as it is, how can it handle another several hundred people at Heuston without investing in yet more trams (which defeats the purpose of a cost cutting exercise)?
The first poster said that they received a handout this morning at Heuston.
Sounds official enough to me.
The issues I have with this:
No consultation with passengers, it is axe and be damned
Those with annual tickets that are not valid on the Luas are screwed
I agree, in a sensible country, folks would transfer from train to tram and no bus route would compete for that traffic.
This is Ireland and they are CIE a byword for incompetance
The handout was not from Dublin Bus officially, it seems to be coming from the drivers themselves.
Mark Gleeson
25-02-2009, 10:46
The handout was not from Dublin Bus officially, it seems to be coming from the drivers themselves.
Exactly, its not official and would appear to be union propaganda. The route 90 is not on a list I've seen but it wouldn't surprise me. This happened on the 41x earlier and was quickly denied by Dublin Bus as a route facing the axe.
Off peak the 90 is effectively empty, the Luas does the job perfectly well. Peak hour well can the 92 cope, probably can
I've heard of at least on other route where a driver told passengers the route was being cut and DB categorically denied this was the case (as opposed to just refusing to comment).
Seem to be some drivers trying to get the public on their side before crippling the city.
There's a post (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055497051) on boards C&T supposedly listing the cuts.
No mention of the 90 unless it's one of the 13 "others" at the end.
Off peak the 90 is effectively empty, the Luas does the job perfectly well. Peak hour well can the 92 cope, probably can
Not sure if it can, I have never travelled on it, but anytime I saw it pulling out of Heuston it seemed to be stuffed. Also, 92 will only serve to O'Connell Bridge so anyone trying to get to IFSC will either have to put up with the overcrowded Luas or take the 92 and walk (fine on the sunny day but not fine on the other 365 wet and windy days of 2009!)
Mark Gleeson
25-02-2009, 14:09
Luas will reach the very core of the IFSC within 18 months. Capacity is up 33% since the 10 m sections where added and there are more trams due shortly
Peak hour thats the big question, no one is going to miss the 90 off peak
What wrong here is the lack of integrated planning, company a is trying to compete with company b
Colm Moore
25-02-2009, 21:46
If the 90 goes, that puts Docklands in an even more marginal location.
It doesn’t make sense for the 90 to be changed before Luas C1 is operating satisfactorily.
jscales1
26-02-2009, 21:40
I sure if there was an extra carriage put onto the luas it would cope with the demand. Am i right. I feel that CIE is going to have to provide a service still just the choice is limited. I sure that people on the 90 bus route are entitled to a service if they have purchased a ticket. I read somewhere lately that the luas capacity at peak periods was been increased in Feb 09 by 33%;)
Thomas Ralph
26-02-2009, 22:04
I'd personally prefer if there were more trams running between Heuston and Connolly only at peak times.
Thomas Ralph
27-02-2009, 14:02
The Irish Examiner today says that the scheme has been suspended. It had been proposed to drop routes 90A and 91, cut some route 90 services and replace them with route 92. All eminently sensible proposals.
Colm Moore
28-02-2009, 20:51
Route 91 was always an ad-hoc means of getting buses from Conyngham Road garage to the city centre while having the bus in service.
This was done in part because the excise duty exemption only applied to in-service usage - not empty shuttling to and from depots.
Traincustomer
28-02-2009, 23:00
Thomas, am curious about the 90A - where does it operate to/from; can't find it in the latest (Jan 2009) Dublin Bus timetable book or on their website. Thanks in advance.
Mark Gleeson
28-02-2009, 23:04
The 90a and 91 don't exist in the timetable
One of them runs down the quays, right over the Liffey at Capel Street to Parliament Street then left onto Dame Street, drop off is Central Bank, then Westmorland Street to Aston Quay
Traincustomer
01-03-2009, 17:48
Thanks, the current timetable indeed doesn't give a specific timetable for the 91 but mentions that it is to and from City Centre and Heuston Stn. only in conjunction with train arrivals and departures from Heuston St.(page 161).
The 90A doesn't get any mention! Wonder are there particular times both services tend to operate.
Thomas Ralph
01-03-2009, 21:59
That one Mark gave is the 91. The 90A goes further down the north quays than the 90 but cuts back through the IFSC before ending up at Connolly.
Colm Moore
01-03-2009, 23:10
That one Mark gave is the 91. The 90A goes further down the north quays than the 90 but cuts back through the IFSC before ending up at Connolly.Actually, all route 90 buses have been doing this since the ramp at Connolly was closed. The current starting point for route 90 is New Wapping Street, so it serves New Wapping Street - Docklands - Connolly - Tara Street - O'Connell Bridge - Heuston and Heuston - O'Connell Bridge - Customs House (for Connolly, Tara Street & Busaras) - New Wapping Street on the way back. You will of course only be charge the one fare is you stay on the bus the whole way from Heuston to Connolly.
2nd Mar, 2009
Thank you for you E mail regarding the 90 bus service.
Dublin Bus has no plans to cancel the morning 90 service from Heuston and we will operate the first bus on route 90 at 0645hrs and then every 15 minutes to 10.00am Monday to Friday.
In addition route 92, serving Heuston to St. Stephens Green via D’Olier street will operate every 15 minutes through the day from 0710 until 1950 - the return service on this route will operate throughout the day at 15 minute frequency - last departure from Wilton Terrace at 1955hrs.
There has been very little demand for the return service on route 90 and customers can avail of the enhanced route 92 as described above.
Dublin Bus are confident that the service pattern described above will cater for travel demands.
Thanking you for your support
Martin Duggan,
Area Manager,
Conyngham Rd Garage.
Mark Gleeson
02-03-2009, 15:12
So the 92 goes to 15 minute frequency from current 20 minutes, makes perfect sense
Saw yet another completely empty 90 outside the Custom House this lunchtime, it is a huge loss maker
2nd Mar, 2009
Thank you for you E mail regarding the 90 bus service.
Dublin Bus has no plans to cancel the morning 90 service from Heuston and we will operate the first bus on route 90 at 0645hrs and then every 15 minutes to 10.00am Monday to Friday.
In addition route 92, serving Heuston to St. Stephens Green via D’Olier street will operate every 15 minutes through the day from 0710 until 1950 - the return service on this route will operate throughout the day at 15 minute frequency - last departure from Wilton Terrace at 1955hrs.
There has been very little demand for the return service on route 90 and customers can avail of the enhanced route 92 as described above.
Dublin Bus are confident that the service pattern described above will cater for travel demands.
Thanking you for your support
Martin Duggan,
Area Manager,
Conyngham Rd Garage.
reading between the lines of that correspondence that has left more questions than answers....
Dublin Bus has no plans to cancel the morning 90 service from Heuston and we will operate the first bus on route 90 at 0645hrs and then every 15 minutes to 10.00am Monday to Friday.
so what about off-peak?
There has been very little demand for the return service on route 90 and customers can avail of the enhanced route 92 as described above.
Dublin Bus are confident that the service pattern described above will cater for travel demands.
Does this mean the ifsc-heuston leg is being cancelled?
Mark Gleeson
02-03-2009, 15:20
Reads clearly as 90 will operate only during the morning rush only
92 all day
Reads clearly as 90 will operate only during the morning rush only
92 all day
not neccessarily- there may have been concern posed by the poster that there wouldn't be buses available for passengers when they disembarked from heuston station, prompting that response and the mention of the 92 operating to dolier street
Mark Gleeson
02-03-2009, 15:40
Current 90 timetable is 15 minutes all day except for a 30 minute gap after 14:30, so it does sound like a cutback is coming
Does this mean the ifsc-heuston leg is being cancelled?
It would make sense to cancel it. I don't know of anyone who uses the return leg of the 90 to Heuston simply as it takes a crazy amount of time to get down the south quays. Luas is the only realistic option back to Heuston, and it is not under the same pressure as it is in the morning (most people aim to get to work for 9am but leave at various times during the evening/night)
Thomas Ralph
02-03-2009, 16:46
To be honest I think getting the 90 from Heuston-Connolly is far worse than getting it from Connolly-Heuston. Haven't done either in quite a while, though.
To be honest I think getting the 90 from Heuston-Connolly is far worse than getting it from Connolly-Heuston. Haven't done either in quite a while, though.
I get it every morning from Hueston (around 8.45am) to Jurys IFSC and it only takes about 15 mins with a 90% chance of getting a seat too. There is only the small section from O'Connell Bridge to IFSC that does not have a bus lane but you have missed most the traffic by then anyway. On the Luas you have a 90% chance of not getting a seat (unless you manage to get on the Heuston-Connolly tram) and you will have you face stuck in a sweaty armpit the whole way
Colm Moore
02-03-2009, 20:59
To be honest I think getting the 90 from Heuston-Connolly is far worse than getting it from Connolly-Heuston. Haven't done either in quite a while, though.Off-peak, I've gone from Heuston to the Customs House in about 9 minutes. I think Mark mentioend one trip of 7 minutes.
The problem is the big loop it now takes through the Docklands means it is better to get off at the Customs House and walk to Connolly / Busáras.
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