Cork Cobh Closure Abandoned

[Mark Gleeson]

Cork to Cobh line: improvement works, October to November 2008 by Corporate Communications

Iarnród Éireann is to undertake major works on the Cork-Cobh commuter line this October and November, to modernise station platforms and other facilities along the route.

As a result, Cork-Cobh rail services will be suspended from 3rd October 2008 to 10th November 2008 to facilitate this important work. Substitute bus services will be provided on the line during this time.

The works on the Cork-Cobh line include:

- the upgrading of 11 platforms at 6 stations along the route, which will improve accessibility of rail services for mobility-impaired customers

- laying of cable ducting for signalling, electrical and telecoms

- facilitating construction of a new overbridge at Woodhill, including a retaining wall at the approach to the bridge

- coastal defence and landslip protection works at key sites

- installation of a watermain for Cork County Council

- signalling adjustments to facilitate the reopening of the Cork-Midleton line



Iarnród Éireann apologise to customers for the inconvenience these works will cause. However, by completing these works in a short timeframe, we can ensure that a lengthy period of intermittent service disruption is avoided, and that improvements to platforms and other important infrastructure work can be delivered.

The works represent an investment of €5 million in the route, and are part of a wider package of investment in Cork’s commuter rail network.

Work is well advanced on the reopening of Glounthaune-Midleton line, which will be completed in 2009. In addition, new stations are planned at Dunkettle, Kilbarry and Blarney.

The works on the Cork-Cobh line will ensure the height levels on platforms are raised to ease access to modern commuter railcars on the route, improving accessibility for all customers, but particularly the mobility-impaired.

Details of substitute bus services for the duration of the works will be confirmed shortly.

Of course there was nothing to be seen in Cork or Cobh about this yesterday. This has been in planning for several months, August was originally the plan until someone figured out August was in fact the busiest month on the line!

No works on the ground to be seen in preparation

[comcor]

The platform works are desperately needed though from a safety point of view. And if they're sensibly doing it at the time of the Cork-Midleton work, all the better. Although as you say, it could be better publicised.

[Mark Gleeson]

I've seen the platforms at first hand and they are in serious need of work, in length terms they are grand but the levels and surface are horrible. All looks a bit like you are back in the 1970's. Of course there is no signage. Before the eagle eyed ask the question of why 6 stations and only 11 platforms, Cobh only has one

The work doesn't seem to include any wheelchair accessible footbridges

In classic Irish Rail style the only station with a TVM is Little Island which also has a full booking office. Everything bar Little Island and Cobh are unstaffed

The revised timetables on display are in tatters since its simply a photocopied page, no one had the sense to laminate them to protect them from the elements

[Dkettle]

I hope that they install the points Glounthaune for the branch to Midleton during this period, they already have a few hundred metres of track down on the new line near Glounthaune, so this would be the perfect opportunity.

Interesting to note that August is the busiest month for the line, implying that day trippers to Fota in the summer are more numerous than commuters throughout the year.

I hope the line won't reopen with Pay and Display machines in Little Island and Glounthaune.... (watching this space)

[Mark Gleeson]

Interesting to note that August is the busiest month for the line, implying that day trippers to Fota in the summer are more numerous than commuters throughout the year. The serious business is done when a cruise ship visits Cobh, they tie up at the quay at the station. For one of the big ships it means 5 extra trains each way and a 5 coach push pull set is generally used. There is even a second hut to sell tickets a big sign in red with the return fare written on it

I hope the line won't reopen with Pay and Display machines in Little Island and Glounthaune.... (watching this space)It coming not sure when. Midleton will be charged from opening day

[Thomas Ralph]

Everything bar Little Island and Cobh are unstaffed

And the Cobh booking office seems to be closed more often than not.

[Mark Gleeson]

And the Cobh booking office seems to be closed more often than not.

Indeed it closed at 2:45 yesterday

[ccos]

If it is closed the guy on the train will sell you a ticket

[Mark Gleeson]

If it is closed the guy on the train will sell you a ticket

Yes the conductor will, but
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[comcor]

I don't think they'll be looking to encourage parking in Midleton anyway. There isn't much space for a significant car park there and the station is on the Mill Road, meaning that traffic from most parts of East Cork would have to make their way across the town to get to the station.

The market for Midleton station will be mostly people who live in the town. Park and Ride customers are more likely to be encouraged to other stations.

[Mark Gleeson]

Be charging all stations Cork in due course

[comcor]

I have to say, I'm not convinced by that move. Glounethaune and Little Island have ample free public parking around them, so it could well just end up with an empty car park.

I think parking at Cobh and Mallow is already charged.

[ccos]

Ive been using that line since I was a kid and the Conductor is always on the train and always sells tickets, never been any problem. You can correct me on this if I'm wrong but don't the bye laws say someting about being able to board a train without a ticket if the booking office is closed..................

No IE car park in cobh but the town does charge

[Mark Gleeson]

Problem is not the byelaws but the dodgy and incorrect information IE provide

[ccos]

I'm not defending the lack of information about service disruption, which is inexcusable cosidering we live in the information age. I was just pointing out that a closed ticket office in Cobh has never presented a problem for train travel.

[Mark Gleeson]

Never has been a problem, just imagine a tourist showing up faced with the sign saying no ticket no travel. Its confusing

Should be

Tickets are available from the booking office
If the office is closed you must pay the conductor on the train
Fare evaders will be prosecuted ....

[zag]

Yeah, you can imagine tourists from some of the more regulation-obeying nations . . . I could generalise a lot here, but you know the types of countries I'm talking about.

Frau Schmidt : This sign says that we must not travel without a ticket. We do not have a ticket, therefore we must not travel. The logic is in-escapable. Perhaps if there was an employee here we could buy a ticket or ask him if we mis-understand the sign but there is no employee. Gott-in-himmel, what a country.

Herr Schmidt : Let us return to the cruise ship and spend our money there.

Seriously, that poster is not a good idea. They should really put in the effort and include something to say "*unless the ticket office is closed in which case you can board the train and buy your ticket later".

It's fine for all the people who know this is the way things operate in the Peoples Republic.

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[Mark Gleeson]

So the line is closed from the 3rd onwards

But no one bothered to update the timetable online to reflect this
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[ccos]

Frau Schmidt : This sign says that we must not travel without a ticket. We do not have a ticket, therefore we must not travel. The logic is in-escapable. Perhaps if there was an employee here we could buy a ticket or ask him if we mis-understand the sign but there is no employee. Gott-in-himmel, what a country.

Herr Schmidt : Let us return to the cruise ship and spend our money there.

Seriously, that poster is not a good idea. They should really put in the effort and include something to say "*unless the ticket office is closed in which case you can board the train and buy your ticket later".

It's fine for all the people who know this is the way things operate in the Peoples Republic.



In th Peoples Republic Area Metro there is always a conductor with the train who can be asked when the train arrives if he would be so kind to "permit us to board zis train as ve have kein teekets and ze offez is clozed".


Paddy in Germany: Look the ticket machine is out of order and the office closed and I can't board the fecking train without a ticket:eek: .
Paddy spots train conductor hanging out of train to blow his whistle and says "ware can i get a bleedin ticket?:confused: " "You may board ze train herr paddy and ve vill sell you einz teeket":D replies conductor. "donkey shine" replies paddy:)

Of course when this happened too me in Holland as well the conductor promptly charged me the on train fare which was an extra 5 euros at the time:mad:

[Mark Gleeson]

Clarity of communication is the key thing here.

The signage is confusing and misleading. Conductors are not always present on the Cobh line from the information I have received and indeed at times the crowds are so great that the conductor has no choice but to sit out the journey in the back cab

[Thomas Ralph]

This closure may be delayed. Today's Irish Examiner says that IÉ line inspection staff in Cork are picketing the line at Glounthaune, preventing the new track from being brought in.

[Laois Commuter]

This closure may be delayed. Today's Irish Examiner says that IÉ line inspection staff in Cork are picketing the line at Glounthaune, preventing the new track from being brought in.

NOW what's wrong with them?? More track to inspect = more overtime. I despair.....

LC

[Mark Gleeson]

What they don't say is there is no driver available to drive the train with the rails onto the site anyway.

The gardai where down on Wednesday to remove people.

If a picket is mounted at Cork station, it will be passed by other staff

[Mark Gleeson]

Picket halts work on rail track

By Sean O’Riordan
CONSTRUCTION of the largest commuter railway project outside of Dublin has been put in jeopardy by an unofficial picket that is preventing Iarnród Éireann from laying the track.

More than a dozen members of the company’s line inspection staff have mounted the picket on the Cork-Midleton line, which is due to open next spring at a cost of €105 million.

Earlier this month, the rail workers went to the Labour Relations Commission (LRC) claiming it was their job to lay the track. However, the LRC decided the work should be carried out by the appointed contractor and staff at Iarnród Éireann’s new works’ department.


Following concern that line inspection staff might interrupt the work, Iarnród Éireann management returned to the LRC again last week to reaffirm the ruling.

Despite the confirmation, around 13 workers mounted a round-the-clock picket for the past three days on the existing railway track at Glounthaune.

It has prevented a special train, loaded with track, from entering the construction area.

“A number of individuals have broken ranks with their union and mounted this picket. This is an unofficial protest which shows little regard for their colleagues, the taxpayer and the community which is awaiting the reopening of this commuter line,” an Iarnród Éireann spokesman said.

He said those involved in the protest had been taken off the payroll following “their quite unacceptable action”.

The spokesman said: “Every day this happens will delay the opening date of this much-needed commuter service.”

Iarnród Éireann management said they were also concerned the picket will extend to disrupt planned works on upgrading the Cork-Cobh railway line. The company is proposing to start modernising facilities along the line next month.

The project includes upgrading 11 platforms at six stations along the route, and improve accessibility for mobility-impaired customers.

Costing €5m, that work will take more than a month to complete. “Those involved have indicated that they will behave in a similar fashion to stop that work from happening,” the Iarnród Éireann spokesman added.

The company has not indicated what it intends to do to remove the picket. However, it has been in contact with workers union SIPTU and the National Bus and Rail Union (NBRU) in an attempt to defuse the situation.

http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=73256-qqqx=1.asp

[Mark Gleeson]

The ever helpful corparate (non)communications department strikes again

Revised Cork - Cobh Timetable by Corporate Communications

A revised Cork - Cobh Timetable will be in operation from 4th October - 9th November inclusive. This is to facilitate major infrastructure upgrade works on the Cork Cobh Line Iarnród Éireann apologises for any inconvenience these essential works may cause

Source: Corporate Communications

PDF Document


Of course the PDF link is a 404 not found http://www.irishrail.ie/qaiarnrod/images/upload/news/434.pdf

Various other permutations fail as well

Online timetable planner is still showing the full (2007) timetable

[Colm Moore]

http://www.irishrail.ie/news_centre/news.asp?action=view&news_id=350
Cork to Cobh line: improvement works, October to November 2008 by Corporate Communications

Iarnród Éireann is to undertake major works on the Cork-Cobh commuter line this October and November, to modernise station platforms and other facilities along the route.

As a result, Cork-Cobh rail services will be suspended from 3rd October 2008 to 10th November 2008 to facilitate this important work. Substitute bus services will be provided on the line during this time.

The works on the Cork-Cobh line include:
- the upgrading of 11 platforms at 6 stations along the route, which will improve accessibility of rail services for mobility-impaired customers
- laying of cable ducting for signalling, electrical and telecoms
- facilitating construction of a new overbridge at Woodhill, including a retaining wall at the approach to the bridge
- coastal defence and landslip protection works at key sites
- installation of a watermain for Cork County Council
- signalling adjustments to facilitate the reopening of the Cork-Midleton line

Iarnród Éireann apologise to customers for the inconvenience these works will cause. However, by completing these works in a short timeframe, we can ensure that a lengthy period of intermittent service disruption is avoided, and that improvements to platforms and other important infrastructure work can be delivered.

The works represent an investment of €5 million in the route, and are part of a wider package of investment in Cork’s commuter rail network.

Work is well advanced on the reopening of Glounthaune-Midleton line, which will be completed in 2009. In addition, new stations are planned at Dunkettle, Kilbarry and Blarney.

The works on the Cork-Cobh line will ensure the height levels on platforms are raised to ease access to modern commuter railcars on the route, improving accessibility for all customers, but particularly the mobility-impaired.

Details of substitute bus services for the duration of the works will be confirmed shortly.
http://www.iarnrodeireann.ie/images/upload/news/350.pdf

[ErnestGoodheart]

In th Peoples Republic Area Metro there is always a conductor with the train who can be asked when the train arrives if he would be so kind to "permit us to board zis train as ve have kein teekets and ze offez is clozed".


Paddy in Germany: Look the ticket machine is out of order and the office closed and I can't board the fecking train without a ticket:eek: .
Paddy spots train conductor hanging out of train to blow his whistle and says "ware can i get a bleedin ticket?:confused: " "You may board ze train herr paddy and ve vill sell you einz teeket":D replies conductor. "donkey shine" replies paddy:)



"Donkey Shine"

Priceless!

[ThomasJ]

Updated

Cork to Cobh line Upgrade works Deferred until further notice by Corporate Communications

Upgrade works due to commence on the Cork - Cobh line this evening, 3rd October have now been deferred until further notice. Scheduled train services will operate as normal on Cork - Cobh line

PDF Document

[ACustomer]

This is presumably because there is a picket at Glountouhane being mounted by disgruntled Irish Rail permanent way staff who seem to think they have a God-given right to do the Midleton track-laying job. They appear to have disregarded all Labour Court determinations on the matter. It would be a firing offence in the real world.

What is it with Cork and Irish Rail industrial relations?

[Mark Gleeson]

I'm told there has been some movement and we might be seeing something next week. As with all things Irish Rail you just don't know.

The call off of the work was very last minute

[Thomas Ralph]

Today's Irish Examiner has a quote from an IÉ spokeswoman to say that the workers will be sacked for gross misconduct and legal action taken if they don't get off the site today. They've reportedly been taken off the payroll already.

Of course all that'll accomplish is another strike in Cork.

[Mark Gleeson]

I've heard that, equally I've heard the whole thing could be sorted by Tuesday