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Terrontress
06-06-2007, 07:59
The train which I get leaving Donabate at 7.51, so I think that makes it the 7.18 ex Drogheda, had only six carriages this morning.
As you can imagine it was absolutely packed and the people sitting on the floor didn't help much.
The driver made an announcement at Donabate that another train to Connolly would depart in ten minutes and at Malahide that a DART would leave at 8.05 but I didn't see anyone get off.
Once we got to Connolly he announced that there were only six cars on the train due to a failure at Drogheda last night.
I wonder if the 1815 ex Pearse will have the same six cars.
Mark Gleeson
06-06-2007, 08:12
The recon team will report in throughout the day
Unshelved
06-06-2007, 13:12
And spare a thought for the poor schoolkids at Donabate station trying to squeeze themselves onto this train on this the first morning of the Junior and Leaving Cert. I felt so sorry for them this morning - just the sort of extra stress that they could really do without. Did anyone see if they could all get on board? I don't think anyone was left behind but it must have been a close-run thing. At Donabate the driver announced that there would be another train in 9 minutes, but that was no good to them because it doesn't stop in Malahide - where they all disembark.
I hope all their mothers were on to IE this morning to demand a better service tomorrow!
Mark Gleeson
06-06-2007, 14:34
Recon team just reported in
Its still 6 car at the current time and its in Pearse, it it will be in Drogheda within the hour so there is still a chance but it looks highly likely that the 18:15 will be only 6 coaches
Advice is to board the front 4 coaches as the rear two will end up with most of the passenger who would have got into coach 7 and 8
Terrontress
06-06-2007, 15:21
And spare a thought for the poor schoolkids at Donabate station trying to squeeze themselves onto this train on this the first morning of the Junior and Leaving Cert. I felt so sorry for them this morning - just the sort of extra stress that they could really do without. Did anyone see if they could all get on board? I don't think anyone was left behind but it must have been a close-run thing. At Donabate the driver announced that there would be another train in 9 minutes, but that was no good to them because it doesn't stop in Malahide - where they all disembark.
I hope all their mothers were on to IE this morning to demand a better service tomorrow!
I have had enough experience of those so-called pupils to feel no symptathy for their plight whatsoever.
There were plenry of them aboard for the 4 minute journey over the estuary!
You may not have any sympathy for these students, but do consider that my near pathological hatred of Dublin Bus comes from my school days. Building the confidence in use of reliable public transport starts from a young age. It will take a generation of reliable public transport to change that point of view that buses, trains, or anything under the CIE banner are nothing less than rubbish.
I hope anyone that has no sympathy for students remembers where they came from, and what life was like as a student doing their Junior/Leaving Cert.
Let me assure you, my fellow students and work colleagues felt the same way, and once Luas came to our area, we were happy never to set eyes on Dublin Bus for the rest of our lives. Because Luas and DART represented clean, efficient, reliable and trustworthy public transport.
Terrontress
06-06-2007, 18:17
You may not have any sympathy for these students, but do consider that my near pathological hatred of Dublin Bus comes from my school days. Building the confidence in use of reliable public transport starts from a young age. It will take a generation of reliable public transport to change that point of view that buses, trains, or anything under the CIE banner are nothing less than rubbish.
I hope anyone that has no sympathy for students remembers where they came from, and what life was like as a student doing their Junior/Leaving Cert.
Let me assure you, my fellow students and work colleagues felt the same way, and once Luas came to our area, we were happy never to set eyes on Dublin Bus for the rest of our lives. Because Luas and DART represented clean, efficient, reliable and trustworthy public transport.
Ah no, Students are fine, it is just the schoolkids who can get unruly. There was one young lad was threatening to punch a woman because he was messing, stood on her toe and she pushed him off.
He was saying he would hit her etc. and so I gave him a shove on the shoulder and he then started mouthing off at me, knew what his rights were etc. I then looked at his school badge and said I'd phone his school. Shut him right up.
A few days later, I saw him getting out of his father's car at Donabate station. He went white as a ghost when he saw me!
Mark Gleeson
06-06-2007, 19:11
Once we got to Connolly he announced that there were only six cars on the train due to a failure at Drogheda last night
Recon team reports that there was nothing wrong with coaches 7 and 8, a 4 coach 2600 set appeared mid morning in addition to the 6 coach set, so it was another train that had failed
James Shields
06-06-2007, 20:10
I was on the 18:15 and it was jammers (I'd normally hang on for the 18:40 ex Connolly, but I had a dentist appointment and if anything went wrong I'd rather be on the train that's in front).
Clearly the system is stretched to breaking point, with reduced capacity trains happening far too frequently.
Colm Donoghue
06-06-2007, 20:24
I was on the 11am 8 car service this morning to Rush&Lusk.
Me and the other two passengers didn't see anything untoward......
Why IE run 8 cars during the day I dunno though.
to justify their price rises I suppose.
I fairness, a 33b and a 230 to go a few short km is excessive.
Apparently Fingal Co.Co. are to build a pedestrian/cycle route across the estuary... maybe Terontess, you or your neighbours grandchildren could use this...
Sorry about that Terrontress, had a similar experience a few years back on the train from Ennis to Dublin.
Being on holiday, somewhat tired, grouchy and hungover, the last thing I was in the mood for was a bunch of screaming teenage alco-scum at the opposite end of a Cravens....and they were making a racket.
Walked up, aggressively, threatened them.
"Blah....rights.....blah...."
My reply.
"You have the right to remain silent, I suggest for your own sake, and everyone else on this train, you use it, before I get the train guard to confiscate your cans. Now enjoy you drink....quietly".
They got out Thurles....and I slept. Plus, I knew I could batter them if I wanted to.....because I'd be well away from Ireland within 3 days in any case :).
I know I am getting old when I start saying things like.....
"We never behaved like that as kids, we'd get a clip on the ear"
But its true.....we were either scared of misbehaving, or we knew the boundary.
Recon team reports that there was nothing wrong with coaches 7 and 8, a 4 coach 2600 set appeared mid morning in addition to the 6 coach set, so it was another train that had failed
The four car 2600 set ran the 21.00 pearse-maynooth and the (deferred) 23.10 pearse-maynooth. if it did do the full run that the 29000 set normally does it would have run the 17.08 connolly-balbriggan and 19.00 pearse-maynooth as well.
Unshelved
07-06-2007, 08:44
Six coaches again this morning. It wasn't quite as crowded because the numbers tend to tail off at the end of the week, and because I'd say a lot of people gave it a miss due to the horrendous overcrowding yesterday. Still, it was bad enough and at Donabate, quite a few kids were flying up and down the platform looking for a carriage that they could squeeze into. While there were a lot of apologies from the driver, there were no explainations and no indication as to when this situation would be rectified.
As for the school pupils - well, they are boisterous but kids will be kids. I'd still rather be me, heading into work, then them, heading into exams!
Mark Gleeson
07-06-2007, 09:07
One thing today was it was actually on time
Terrontress
07-06-2007, 10:31
If I recall correctly, they reduced the same train to six cars over the Easter school holidays.
Could it be because term has finished and it is only exam kids on the trains that they have knocked two off to save on diesel?
Mark Gleeson
07-06-2007, 15:29
It goes without saying that the 18:15 Pearse to Drogheda is going to be 6 coaches today
So as per yesterday, advice is to board the front 4 coaches as the rear two will end up with most of the passengers who would have got into coach 7 and 8
Mark Gleeson
08-06-2007, 07:30
The 8:32 Drogheda Pearse is the 6 car 2600 this morning
Ok thats not great but its not as crowded as the 7:18
Edit 7:18 was 8 coaches and it was ontime
Thanks to our man in Drogheda for reporting in
Terrontress
08-06-2007, 11:07
The 8:32 Drogheda Pearse is the 6 car 2600 this morning
Ok thats not great but its not as crowded as the 7:18
Edit 7:18 was 8 coaches and it was ontime
Thanks to our man in Drogheda for reporting in
Yeah, I got the 7.51 from Donabate. It was an 8 car 29000 class. Busy enough but not too bad. I think that the 29000s don't just have as much room as the 2600s.
This train will start from connolly tonight
Mark Gleeson
08-06-2007, 17:47
The 17:33 Bray Longford was also a 6 coach set tonight, and it was a 2800 set so there are two 6 coach trains roaming the network which should be 8
And the longford bound train was also delayed a few minutes due to a technical fault on the train at bray. I did not hear it clearly but it sounded like the drogheda train terminating at connolly was due to an earlier failure.
Mark Gleeson
08-06-2007, 18:15
I forgot to add it was 10 minutes late leaving Blackrock but with a clear run it could have pulled 3 or 4 minutes back on the way to Pearse
James Shields
08-06-2007, 21:46
Yeah, I got the 7.51 from Donabate. It was an 8 car 29000 class. Busy enough but not too bad. I think that the 29000s don't just have as much room as the 2600s.
They don't. Next time you're on one, have a look around the inter-carriage doors. There's a gap of about a metre either side of them. Apparently it's a crumple zone that's designed to collapse in a collision.
The 2600s also have a lot more seats - about 70 per coach vs about 50 per coach on a 2900. The 29Ks do have a lot of standing room around the doors, though, so it's possible you could pack more in at crush load.
It's interesting to note that a 6-car 2600 set has more seats (around 420) than an 8-car 2900 (around 400).
They don't. Next time you're on one, have a look around the inter-carriage doors. There's a gap of about a metre either side of them. Apparently it's a crumple zone that's designed to collapse in a collision.
The 2600s also have a lot more seats - about 70 per coach vs about 50 per coach on a 2900. The 29Ks do have a lot of standing room around the doors, though, so it's possible you could pack more in at crush load.
It's interesting to note that a 6-car 2600 set has more seats (around 420) than an 8-car 2900 (around 400).
I have to agree with you on that. I was on the 8.55 clonsilla-connolly this morning. it was a four-car 2600 set. the great thing was for the first time in months I actually managed to get a seat on this train. Normally when this train is a 29000 set all seats would be taken with people standing. It wasn't really the case this morning. There weren't really many people standing when it left clonsilla.
The thing is, when it did start to fill up it got jammers very quickly. It did seem poeple were standing in a more confined space (ie no large wheelchair space like 29000) and you couldn't really stand down the centre aisle like you can with the 29000
The 17:33 Bray Longford was also a 6 coach set tonight, and it was a 2800 set so there are two 6 coach trains roaming the network which should be 8
Actually there is more! the 18.40 connolly-dundalk set which is normally an eight-car 29000 has been a six-car 2800 on fridays for the last few weeks.
And the 17.25 connolly-gorey is down to 4-car 29000, down 2 carriages on a friday.
Add to that the fact that there is a four-car 2600 set doing the job of a four-car 29000. Was doing the 18:30 pearse-maynooth i think tonight.
And the longford bound train was also delayed a few minutes due to a technical fault on the train at bray. I did not hear it clearly but it sounded like the drogheda train terminating at connolly was due to an earlier failure.
One of the main gripes I have with the 18:15 pearse-drogheda train was the fact that people had to board the next northbound service to connolly. The Longford train which was down 2 carriages and delayed a few minutes departed pearse with no standing room in at least the first four railcars.
It is possible that passengers going to maynooth/longford/intermediate stations were left behind at tara street as a result of people on that train gong to connolly to get the drogheda train. (it looked as if there was alot). The fact that at the next station connolly there probably would have been space for them after the passengers for the DRogheda train cleared.
I just wonder was it neccessary to terminate the Drogheda train in connolly. There was a gap of about 8 or mnutes between the dart and longford train and i think that train could have been slotted in even if departing pearse a couple of minutes late.
Mark Gleeson
11-06-2007, 09:06
Well it was back to 8 this morning only for it to breakdown in Connolly.
I was on one of the six car 2800 sets heading to pearse on saturday and it terminated in connolly. The driver said it was due to the train requiring maintenance
just wondering From what I hear there were a few unusual runnings yesterday (monday)
17.15 connolly-longford was an eight-car 2800 set.
17.13 connolly-dundalk was an eight car 2600 set
does this mean that the 18.15 pearse to drogheda was 8-car 29000 operated
Does this also mean that there is only one 6-car 2800 running gorey/rosslare services (ran tonights connolly-rosslare europort service)
from what I saw both evening ex bray to maynooth and longford were eight car 29000 operated.
Mark Gleeson
14-06-2007, 08:02
Well the 7:18 played up again, didn't seem to make it southside this morning
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